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Isopycnic

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The models are already showing the flip beginning this weekend to a much warmer and wetter pattern. Also if this event happens this way the analog would certainly fit 1989-1990 except that it occurs in Jan instead of Dec. After that flip back then, winter was over outside of the mountains except for one last  cold snap that lasted for 2-3. And not even a small threat of winter weather after the big coastal storm either.

 

did you see the euro ensembles today?

DT on wxrisk  said he believed the cold would be back in Feb after the warm up  and more moisture too.

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burgertime, on 25 Jan 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

Take it to the bank. GFS is gonna keep that vort stronger over runs and move it east. I'll bet this becomes a big SE snow storm!

 

All I need is like 0.25 of liquid and I'm fine. Ratios would be epic up here.

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Are you just afraid it'll all work out that way, or is there a meteorological reason for feeling things will work out that way?

 

 

This guy has been honking this horn for days now, I guess in hopes that someone will acknowledge him as "knowledgeable" or something. 

 

And like I said earlier (to which he has yet to reply with any useful information) those 

"warm ups" have been fails all winter. He isn't going out on a limb with his "call" - he's only posting these same statements over and over. What crap.

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We get mostly 33 and rain on the GFS but that run was a significant step in the right direction. The precipitation is still coming down in areas at 96 hours. Previous runs barely had any precip. Only difference between this and the NAM, is that the NAM is much colder than the GFS.

I'm in a little different position down here than you but I personally

think this thing will need to end up being stronger in order to give us any frozen.

Weaker and it floats on by with some cold rain. Need that i-lift which probably means

a alot of liquid but this is Jacksonville, Fl we're talking about.

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Trough in the west is temporary. -ao,-epo,-nao combo =cold.

This is what I'm talking about. The data plus the analysis of quite a few mets and folks like Don S. all indicate a return to a colder pattern. Maybe it won't happen; that's always a risk. But it looks like a good bet to get colder again.

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Sorry.. But I don't want this to trend too far north and west to give the foothills & Piedmont snow.. I want it all over the southern half of GA/AL/MS and the coastal areas of the Carolinas. Ya'll get more snow than the rest of us anyway... Quit trying to take this one. ;):P:lol: haha! :hug:

 

I agree with this post lol.....well I hope the western folks get snow just not at the expense of us coastal folks

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Sorry.. But I don't want this to trend too far north and west to give the foothills & Piedmont snow.. I want it all over the southern half of GA/AL/MS and the coastal areas of the Carolinas. Ya'll get more snow than the rest of us anyway... Quit trying to take this one. ;):P:lol: haha! :hug:

Most of us in the Western Piedmont of NC and most of the upstate are in a 3 year plus snow drought.. so usually we get more snow but not lately

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Most of us in the Western Piedmont of NC and most of the upstate are in a 3 year plus snow drought.. so usually we get more snow but not lately

It sucks you guys missed out on 2/19/2012, 1/17/2013, 2/16/2013, and the small event the other day. I'm pretty sure you guys got hit on 1/25/2013, but that was sleet and freezing rain, not snow.

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December 23/24, 1989, the very deep SE had a snow; only sticking snow in the prior 50 years in Lake City/Jax/G'ville. That was before any real internet. The only source for info was TWC.

 

Based only on memory, seems to me that storm originated as a cut-off Baja low. Least that what I distinctly remember The Weather Channel mets talking about.

 

With that background - my question:

 

Does anyone know where I might find a set of models from that storm to look at? They sure aren't internet archived anywhere I can locate. I'd like to see what the pattern looked like then as compared to now. May be veryyyyyyyy different, or may be ....

 

 

Yes they can be found here--> http://www.weather.gov/mhx/Dec231989EventReview

I've got them "bookmarked"..

I wish I had a old VCR Tape of Local mets & the TWC back in the Day, *We didn't see it coming", and terms like, We don't know WHEN it'll stop,With Deer in the headlights look, on TV, knowing they were in deep Kimshie, this was a First 3/4s of a day and first 6 inches, at 12 inches TWC was "freaking out".. Honestly.... We were only to see a "dusting" or a Trace, right up to the event start, it was supposed to "STOP ANYTIME".. think energizer bunny, that thing got a charge, cranked up, and kepted going & going..  :snowwindow:  almost the same set-up.. I measured Lots of 24" ~ 27" spots around town here.. I reside in a Mobile Home, just married, it was in a "dip" against the wood-line, It was buried deep~deep in a huge drift... took Me 2 days to dig in & even reach the door to get inside...

 

 

Southern Snow:remember, majority of the posters are in central/western nc, what they want will screw us on the coast temp wise, but we still need some help in the next few days in regards to the precip trending slightly west since the latest model runs have the majority of the precip offshore.

 

 

I've also noticed the above quote, quite OFTEN...  Coastal area(s) (with-in 50 miles of the beach) **MAY** have a chance; or a storm actually forcasted, YET leaving *inland* "West of 95" dryish, or nothing at all, They then start

#1 bitching about the coastal area(s) getting More snow than/or before them...

#2 Wishcasting a North/West trend. KNOWING that this will, (which leaves the coast ALL Liquid) due to BL temps or the infamous "Warm-Nose", always...

 

Actually, How MANY times does ANY STORM favor US COASTAL FOLKS,at all? Here in the SE/on further south? Coastal SC/GA et al? Once in every 10/20 years, while in between We MAY see a flake or 1/2"  MIXED" with ALWAYS a COLD RAIN...

 

Great potential coming up for Part of the SE crew here in the Coastal area(s) & dern-it ya'll even want to take that away from us too...

What gives? Are Peeps on the West & north of I-95 that greedy? Lordy; the very Deep South gets a once in a 200 year "event" and ya'll are crying over it... (Or cliff diving)..Or just plain Ole some-one Peed in your cornflakes..

MOST of us here on the SERN coastal area(s) on south ALWAYS count on some/these Issues . always,, see-aforementioned.... WE KNOW 99.9% it'll be cold rain... :underthewx:  We don't  complain/cliff-dive, or b**ch... When ya'll West/North of 95 get "something white" every year... multi-able times..

Or is it that there are "just a couple members, living on the coast?" We don't count..????

Ya'll KNOW Pulling this **possible** up-coming event north & West WILL screw us folks on the Coast,(again), Yet a "couple" folks say, "lets give the coastal crew some Love", :hug:  though then 80% of ya'll say NO, WE want it... :cry:  

YES, I SEE the BANNER, I'll throw  a few bucks in the Kitty

   When I get paid, end of month..

Look sry, for ranting, BUT, that's how a few of ya'll come across..

Nothing personal, really..

Personally, I'd love to see a March 3 1980 "repeat" with this extreme cold air mass in place, great ratios,(20:1), Not *Slop* falling from the Sky just to melt a day or a later, but stay cold for a week..

 

Disclosure: I resided in Panama Canal Zone during those "years" missing out on all the great Winter storms from late 77 till 1982, I used to live in Fayettnam as a *BRAT*,,

   With that being said, I hope I didn't hurt anyones feelings, Hoping everyone gets *something*, what-ever the outcome...It's just  weather, I hope ya'll West of 95 get "crushed", I'll take a'lil 3 inches & run w/it.... :ski:  >>CUE: SMB, "Take the Money & Run"<<

 

One other thing, I'm really catching on to the "abstract", thinking as Air-masses in 3-d terms, trying to visualize it, yet, I asked a question, w/My interruption of said Map, I get ignored, please? Why not follow-up with a PM,If you don't want to explain on the board, correcting what I'm getting right-wrong & short explanation *why*, just common courtesy, ya know, this IS the SOUTH...

Yes,  I DO research also on My own...

I started really catching on as I watched winds clouds at the beach etc, feeling SFC winds blowing one direction, yet above then, alil higher, watched cloud's in the layer above, go the opposeing direction... then above that, the "cirrus layer" go a entirely different direction? Seen the Jet flow, (Zonal) which I assume means west to east across the COUNS...

  I mean, I maybe a partially 1/2 azzed stupid Weather Weenie, but don't treat some Us here in the far SE crew like red-headed step-children...

rant-off, sry.. :violin: ++ :whistle: ++ :guitar:  =Country HoeDown

Again yes Ya'll will get a donation....

Peace CT in ILM... :arrrg:  

 

 

QuenncityWX said:

Looks like we'll have the coldest January since at least 1988 and not a single flake of snow will fall. 

 

 

Well, I did see quit a few day before yesterday with that "effect" coming off the Cape Fear River... And A Few in Nov, (enough to dust the car), I think that was a record broken here , for earliest ever SN..      

I hope I don't upset the Mods or anyone else, just had to get that off My chest...  

 

1989 storm

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Most of us in the Western Piedmont of NC and most of the upstate are in a 3 year plus snow drought.. so usually we get more snow but not lately

I know. I'm just excited to have something to talk/track in my part of the southeast. That and being a bit of an IMBY Weenie because I didn't want to feel left out. ;):P haha!

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I know. I'm just excited to have something to talk/track in my part of the southeast. That and being a bit of an IMBY Weenie because I didn't want to feel left out. ;):P haha!

Trust me if there was any place I rather see it snow than IMBY its down in south GA, and coastal SC and NC

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