eyewall Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ribbons of man made snow on the trails with good mountainbiking in the woods . The total snow accumulation for the entire 240 hour run is 3-6" in northern VT and 1-4" south verbatim and similar in NH except for the far north which does a little better. In ME 4-6" south and 6-10" north run total accumulation. Of course these are pretty coarse maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Haha I was never worried Me either, hard to get 6 feet of snow in any month no matter what, still waiting on the stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Me either, hard to get 6 feet of snow in any month no matter what, still waiting on the stats Trust me, its not that hard to get 6 feet of snow in a month. It can even do it in a week under the right upslope set-ups. Here's from J.Spin's website on one such storm cycle: "As I suspected, some of the mountains have now hit six feet of accumulation from the last six days of snow. My daily email from Bolton Valley this morning had this to say: Six Feet of Snow. “Looking back at the log we keep of snowfall totals for the year I can hardly believe the last six days. It seems as if I am dreaming. We have measured snow of a foot or more on four of the last six days. We have a six day total of six feet. That's taller than most people. That's two yards of snow.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Show me them dirty stinkin "stats" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Me either, hard to get 6 feet of snow in any month no matter what, still waiting on the stats Since I'm home, I was searching my Gmail account for some snowfall documents (that feature is pretty cool, lol) and found I have at least the last 6 years. I swear the data back to 1997-1998 had an average of 76-78" in January (haha)... but the last 6 years was 68" as last year's 39" really cut into that. This year will cut it back even more, lol. I know you want 30 years of records, but I've been working with back 1997. But look through even these years which include some of the lowest snowfall years (like 2009-2010 and 2011-2012) we've had in the past 16 years. And there are a good deal of months over 6 feet I just ran the averages on these 6 years and our three big snow months are 72" December, 68" January, 78" February. Now here are the seasonal totals back to 1997-1998... 09-10 and 11-12 are the two lowest. When I get to work and get the previous 10 years of monthly data prior to 2007-2008, I'm sure you'll see those monthly averages go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Since I'm home, I was searching my Gmail account for some snowfall documents (that feature is pretty cool, lol) and found I have at least the last 6 years. I swear the data back to 1997-1998 had an average of 76-78" in January... but the last 6 years was 68" as last year's 39" really cut into that. This year will cut it back even more, lol. snowfall_monthly.jpg I know you want 30 years of records, but I've been working with back 1997. But look through even these years which include some of the lowest snowfall years (like 2009-2010 and 2011-2012) we've had in the past 16 years. And there are a good deal of months over 6 feet I just ran the averages on these 6 years and our three big snow months are 72" December, 68" January, 78" February. Now here are the seasonal totals back to 1997-1998... 09-10 and 11-12 are the two lowest. snowfall.jpg Thanks, got to figure over 30 years probably about 65 ish, nice stats thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 At what point is lack of a winter snowpack a concern for water levels next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Totally my fault, working on talking my wife into considering Burlington area for retirement a few decades hence, and have a long weekend planned with her for mid-February in Burlington so she can see Vermont in winter with all the snow and what not. Given that I am a huge snow-lover and a certified snow jinx, this is all very believeable and par for my course. Rooting like hell for this to break and white to reign down for you all soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 At what point is lack of a winter snowpack a concern for water levels next summer? Isn't the rain offsetting the lack of snow though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Trust me, its not that hard to get 6 feet of snow in a month. It can even do it in a week under the right upslope set-ups. Here's from J.Spin's website on one such storm cycle: "As I suspected, some of the mountains have now hit six feet of accumulation from the last six days of snow. My daily email from Bolton Valley this morning had this to say: Six Feet of Snow. “Looking back at the log we keep of snowfall totals for the year I can hardly believe the last six days. It seems as if I am dreaming. We have measured snow of a foot or more on four of the last six days. We have a six day total of six feet. That's taller than most people. That's two yards of snow.” 6/36 months you provided in a six year period qualified for your statement 16%, of course with a limited database hard to draw conclusions, that being at 3K too on the lee side of a Mountain. Yes its hard to get 6 feet of snow in a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 6/36 months you provided in a six year period qualified for your statement 16%, of course with a limited database hard to draw conclusions, that being at 3K too on the lee side of a Mountain. Yes its hard to get 6 feet of snow in a month Well they aren't gonna do it in novie or April . But sounds like they do it about once a year or more (since pf has kept records) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalWinds Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Totally my fault, working on talking my wife into considering Burlington area for retirement a few decades hence, and have a long weekend planned with her for mid-February in Burlington so she can see Vermont in winter with all the snow and what not. Given that I am a huge snow-lover and a certified snow jinx, this is all very believeable and par for my course. Rooting like hell for this to break and white to reign down for you all soon. From 1968-1980 I lived very close to your location (Towson/Timonium/Cockeysville), Zen. I can promise you, as bad as December and January have been this year, you would find even this year a winter wonderland relative to your current climate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Well they aren't gonna do it in novie or April . But sounds like they do it about once a year or more (since pf has kept records) 39 in Jan last year then boom, I wouldn't doubt if thats repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Thanks, got to figure over 30 years probably about 65 ish, nice stats thanks again Yeah to be honest I don't disagree. I know the COOP was about 10% higher since 2000, and BTV WFO was 10-20% higher. I bet the annual average may be closer to 280" or something, but in general I expect the three months of Dec/Jan/Feb where we usually get our most frequent snowfalls (nickle and dime mixed with bigger stuff) to fall in the 60s and 70s for monthly totals. Great months are 80-110", poor months 30-60" type deal. Either way, our bet was regarding getting anywhere near average so I don't care if it's the COOP you use or whatever data. We are usually proportional, so if my spot is well below, so is the COOP, even though the values may differ. If we use the COOP average of like 40", then we have to use their measurements, and that can be frustrating if we get a 16" upslope event and the COOP calls it 6.5" haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 6/36 months you provided in a six year period qualified for your statement 16%, of course with a limited database hard to draw conclusions, that being at 3K too on the lee side of a Mountain. Yes its hard to get 6 feet of snow in a monthWell it's hard for inhabited areas, yes that's true. Haha. I mean in Dec/Jan//Feb our prime snow months it's not *that* hard to do in the higher elevations of the Greens. Sugarbush does it (heck they got 110" last December), Bolton does it, Smuggs does it, Jay does it. If we have a nice winter month, totals at the summit of these ski areas will be 72"+. Hopefully J.Spin or ADK may add some thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 At what point is lack of a winter snowpack a concern for water levels next summer? Probably a minor factor in the humid Northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Well today has certainly turned out to be a steaming pile of wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Probably a minor factor in the humid Northeast.Speaking of water... if measuring snow depth, do you get to add the 8" of water that is sitting on top of the snow right now? How about after it freezes on top of the snowpack? Ie, 3" of snow and 8" of ice = 11" of frozen something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Yeah to be honest I don't disagree. I know the COOP was about 10% higher since 2000, and BTV WFO was 10-20% higher. I bet the annual average may be closer to 280" or something, but in general I expect the three months of Dec/Jan/Feb where we usually get our most frequent snowfalls (nickle and dime mixed with bigger stuff) to fall in the 60s and 70s for monthly totals. Great months are 80-110", poor months 30-60" type deal. Either way, our bet was regarding getting anywhere near average so I don't care if it's the COOP you use or whatever data. We are usually proportional, so if my spot is well below, so is the COOP, even though the values may differ. If we use the COOP average of like 40", then we have to use their measurements, and that can be frustrating if we get a 16" upslope event and the COOP calls it 6.5" haha. I never expected to "win" but yea not seeing 6 feet, but then again who can see until the end of the month, not me , ya never say never, like you pointed out you have had 6 feet in a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 35.0F -RA/RA Still looks somewhat like winter out there despite all of the liquid lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 35.0F -RA/RA Still looks somewhat like winter out there despite all of the liquid lately. image.jpg Uniformity, man thats going to be some glacier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Uniformity, man thats going to be some glacier.i should take a core from it when it freezes up. Maybe I can get some 3:1 sleet ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Man that looks nice dendrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If there has been a cold pocket during these rainers, we've been in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalWinds Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 35.0F -RA/RA Still looks somewhat like winter out there despite all of the liquid lately. image.jpg That looks really pretty, dendrite...but what's all that white stuff on the ground?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 From BTV: .LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/...AS OF 320 PM EST TUESDAY...FOR THE EXTENDED PERIOD...BROAD UPPERLOW SETS UP OVER MUCH OF EASTERN CANADA DURING THIS TIME...WITH ASERIES OF SYSTEMS EXPECTED TO PIVOT AROUND THIS LOW AND MOVEACROSS THE NORTHEAST REGION. DIGGING TROUGH FROM THIS LOW SETS UPTO OUR WEST FOR FRIDAY AND LIFTS THRU THE AREA FRIDAY NIGHT THRUSATURDAY. MDLS HAVE SHOWN A COASTL LOW DEVELOPING AS TROUGHREACHES THE EAST COAST...WITH LATEST TREND BEING AWAY FROM/JUSTEAST OF THE 40/70 BENCHMARK WITH BULK OF EXPECTED QPF. SOMETIMING ISSUES WITH LATEST GFS/ECMWF...SO WILL BE STAYING NEARCHANCE POPS FOR LIGHT PRECIP. SAT NGT INTO EARLY SUNDAY HAS WKRIDGING OVER AREA FOLLOWED BY A CLIPPER SYSTEM MVG AROUND UPPERLOW. EXPECTING LIGHT POPS FOR -SW ON NW FLOW OVERNGT SATURDAY W/SOME CLRING BFR CLIPPER AFFECTS CWA THRU MUCH OFSUNDAY...TAPERING OFF THRU THE OVERNGT HRS SUNDAY AS SYSTEM GOESOUT TO SEA...TO BE FOLLOWED BY HIGH PRESSURE FOR NEXT MONDAY ANDANOTHER CLIPPER SYSTEM FOR NEXT TUESDAY. AS WITH THE NW FLOW SATNGT...FLOW ON BACKSIDE OF EXITING CLIPPER SUNDAY WILL PROVIDESOME UPSLOPE -SW WITH BEST CHANCES OVER HIR TRRN..WHERE LIGHTACCUM POSSIBLE. WITH MODEL TEMPS TRENDING COLDER TO NEAR NORMALBY THE END OF THE EXTENDED PERIOD...TEMPS FOR CLIPPERPASSAGES...AS WELL AS TROUGH TO START THE PERIOD...WILL AFFORDALL -SW FOR AREA...W/ BEST CHANCES IN HIR ELEV. TEMPS IN THEEXTENDED...LOOKING FOR THE PASSAGE OF EACH SUBSEQUENT SYSTEM INTHE EXTENDED TO DRAG DOWN ENOUGH COLDER CANADIAN AIR TO BRING THECWA BACK TO MORE NORMAL CONDITIONS FOR THE CURRENT PAST DAYSWARMTH. HIGHS TO START WILL BE IN THE 30S...TRENDING TO THE 20SBY THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK. OVERNGT LOWS WILL START OFF IN THE20S BUT END UP IN THE TEENS/SINGLE NUMBERS...FURTHER AIDED BYTEMP CLRING SKIES WITH SFC RIDGING SAT NGT/SUN NGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 i should take a core from it when it freezes up. Maybe I can get some 3:1 sleet ratios. Better take it before it freezes, unless you have a heavy gauge steel implement that you can safely drive thru the frozen "stuff". Doppler estimate puts MBY at almost 1" RA, with some 45 dbz lumps passing thru. Maybe this one pops the ice on the Sandy, so the road in front of Farmington Mickey D's gets a washing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 This thread has be laughing. We're all so salty. It's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 This thread has be laughing. We're all so salty. It's awesome. Jaded maybe with a touch of salt, lol. It's been a fun couple days venting but the rest of the board is going to kill us...haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 38F 0.4" of rain today. Still 8" of snow at the stake, so I can't complain. Well, I could but that would be ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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