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Weather is scary! It's dangerous out there if you forget to wear clothes.

Tell me about it. We have kids come to school in shorts and t-shirts with temps of 20.

I feel certain there will be delays Tuesday but the temps won't go up but a couple of degrees in that time. It's pure PR.

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Statement as of 3:44 PM EST on January 05, 2014

... Lake effect snow warning remains in effect from 11 am Monday

to 1 PM EST Wednesday...

... Wind chill warning remains in effect from midnight Monday

night to 6 PM EST Tuesday...

* locations... Oswego County... mainly the far northern portion of

the County.

* Timing... late Monday morning through early Wednesday afternoon

for the lake effect snow warning. Monday night through Tuesday

evening for the wind chill warning.

* Accumulations... 3 to 5 inches Monday... more than 2 feet Monday

night... more than 2 feet Tuesday... 5 to 10 inches Tuesday

night... and an inch or less Wednesday... leading to storm

totals of more than 5 feet in the most persistent lake snows.

* Winds... southwest 25 to 35 mph with gusts up to 45 mph.

* Visibilities... near zero at times.

* Wind chill values... as low as 30 below at times.

* Impacts... travel will become extremely difficult to near

impossible with snow covered roads and frequent whiteout

conditions due to heavy lake effect snow along with

considerable blowing and drifting snow. Roadways will become

partially or fully impassable for a period of time. Interstate

81 will be greatly impacted from Pulaski to just south of

Watertown. Dangerously cold wind chills will pose a risk for

frost bite and hypothermia for anyone outside for even very

short periods of time. This is a life-threatening cold for

those not in shelter.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

In lake effect snow the weather can vary from locally heavy snow

in narrow bands to clear skies just a few miles away. If you will

be traveling across the region be prepared for rapid changes in

Road and visibility conditions.

A wind chill warning is issued when a strong wind will combine

with cold temperatures to create dangerously cold conditions for

exposed skin. The wind will make it feel like it is 25 degrees

below zero or colder for several hours. Those planning to venture

outdoors should use common sense and dress warmly.

If you lose power and plan on running a generator... make sure

that the generator is located outdoors and is properly

ventilated. Space heaters should also be properly ventilated and

used only if they are operating properly. Make sure snow does not

block exhausts and fresh air intakes for high efficiency furnaces

and water heaters.

Stay tuned to NOAA Weather Radio or your favorite source of

weather information for the latest updates. Additional details

can also be found at www.Weather.Gov/Buffalo.

Report snow accumulation to the National Weather Service in

Buffalo by sending an email to [email protected]... posting

to the NWS Buffalo facebook Page... or tweet... using the hashtag

bufwx

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That is impressive. I am unimpressed with this arctic front. I know it will be cold but without deep snow cover it won't reach full potential. People will remark how cold it is and by the weekend we will be in polo shirts. Would prefer solid 10 inches of snow that is of long duration at a temp of 30.

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The world has changed a lot. This would be more of a CYA type deal imo. Of course, if I were providing counsel to school districts I'd advise a delay. Don't boo me Ian!

CYA for what? That's what I don't get. I don't really understand why school is cancelled for piddling snow events, either (well...I understand, but don't agree), but to cancel or delay because of cold as a CYA measure? It makes no sense. If parents are dumb enough to send their kid out on a cold morning without gloves, a hat, and an extra layer, then it's not the school's problem. If people require accountability, then it's the parent(s) that should be held accountable.

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The cold weather. Since its been all over the news that WC's could be as low as 25 below in the outlying suburbs Tues morning, I wouldn't be surprised if there are 2 hr delays... or even a one hour delay. Plus getting all the busses started as well... I understand what you are saying, but today, parents don't want Tommy waiting for the bus outside when its 3 degrees and feels like 15 below zero. This type of weather is "rare" around here

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In this part of the world many people dont even remember what real cold is and plenty kids with clueless parents who dont even own proper winter clothing for these conditions. I have seen many kids with no hat or gloves with sweatshirts and light jackets with temps in the 20s. They wont do well in this cold snap.

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The cold weather. Since its been all over the news that WC's could be as low as 25 below in the outlying suburbs Tues morning, I wouldn't be surprised if there are 2 hr delays... or even a one hour delay. Plus getting all the busses started as well... I understand what you are saying, but today, parents don't want Tommy waiting for the bus outside when its 3 degrees and feels like 15 below zero. This type of weather is "rare" around here

 

I totally understand what your saying. If parents are so worried about poor little Tommy, maybe they will have to drive Tommy to school or let him stay home.

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CYA for what? That's what I don't get. I don't really understand why school is cancelled for piddling snow events, either (well...I understand, but don't agree), but to cancel or delay because of cold as a CYA measure? It makes no sense. If parents are dumb enough to send their kid out on a cold morning without gloves, a hat, and an extra layer, then it's not the school's problem. If people require accountability, then it's the parent(s) that should be held accountable.

Two things. One, most school boards, who hire and fire superintendents, are tied to the political process. Superintendents are not usually looking for ways to piss off voters. Two, just for purpose of debate, what if we suppose there are a good many irresponsible parents who send their children to school without feeding them properly. Should schools not serve breakfast because it's the parents responsibility to feed their kids.

Personally I don't like delays. They throw me completely out of whack and usually a couple of hours does little to alleviate icy roads and cold temps. Closing schools is a dicey call because all it would take is one serious bus accident. So, it's not quite as easy as you make it out to be.

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Two things. One, most school boards, who hire and fire superintendents, are tied to the political process. Superintendents are not usually looking for ways to piss off voters. Two, just for purpose of debate, what if we suppose there are a good many irresponsible parents who send their children to school without feeding them properly. Should schools not serve breakfast because it's the parents responsibility to feed their kids.

Personally I don't like delays. They throw me completely out of whack and usually a couple of hours does little to alleviate icy roads and cold temps. Closing schools is a dicey call because all it would take is one serious bus accident. So, it's not quite as easy as you make it out to be.

Elementary school starts at 7:30 in this part of the county. Kids who take the bus have to be at the bus stop by 6:50. This time of the year it's pitch black, so if it's going to -2 here with a windchill of -20 there's nothing wrong with a two hour delay even though it won't be any warmer by then.

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That is impressive. I am unimpressed with this arctic front. I know it will be cold but without deep snow cover it won't reach full potential. People will remark how cold it is and by the weekend we will be in polo shirts. Would prefer solid 10 inches of snow that is of long duration at a temp of 30.

 

seems like it's going to be too short-lived to really resonate with people especially the general public aka non-hobbyists.

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Elementary school starts at 7:30 in this part of the county. Kids who take the bus have to be at the bus stop by 6:50. This time of the year it's pitch black, so if it's going to -2 here with a windchill of -20 there's nothing wrong with a two hour delay even though it won't be any warmer by then.

So you are arguing for a delay because it's dark?

You're proving my point about why its a certainty there will be a delay. But look at the reality. You said 6:50 right? So on a two hour delay that's 8:50. If the temp is -2 at 6:50, what do you think, 6-8 by 8:50? You think the kids will be like "yeah, this feels much better"? LOL.

Delays serve little purpose other than shutting up griping parents. But then they turn around and gripe that they don't have anybody to watch their kids.

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So you are arguing for a delay because it's dark?

You're proving my point about why its a certainty there will be a delay. But look at the reality. You said 6:50 right? So on a two hour delay that's 8:50. If the temp is -2 at 6:50, what do you think, 6-8 by 8:50? You think the kids will be like "yeah, this feels much better"? LOL.

Delays serve little purpose other than shutting up griping parents. But then they turn around and gripe that they don't have anybody to watch their kids.

I guess I came across the wrong way. I was agreeing with you. It's no win situation if you're a school official. The reality is we very rarely get a day like we will have tues. so whatever decision are made will have to be dealt with.

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