Jonger Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 King thru 72 hr That would be my biggest storm in almost 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Could argue warning snows for southeast portion of LOT CWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 When has the NAM ever been drier than the euro and GFS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Could argue warning snows for southeast portion of LOT CWA. Easily...with better than average ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterimage Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 AFD from IND. Good read both on the storm, cold and also another snow in the offing: 994 FXUS63 KIND 030826 AFDIND UPDATE THE LONG TERM AND AVIATION SECTIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED BELOW. SYNOPSIS ISSUED AT 255 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 HIGH PRESSURE IS EXPECTED ACROSS THE AREA THOUGH TONIGHT. A STORM SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BRING SIGNIFICANT SNOW TO THE AREA LATE THIS WEEKEND...FOLLOWED BY VERY COLD AIR EARLY NEXT WEEK IN THE WAKE OF THIS STORM. ANOTHER DISTURBANCE MAY AFFECT THE AREA AROUND THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. NEAR TERM /TODAY AND TONIGHT/ ISSUED AT 255 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 DRY WEATHER EXPECTED THROUGH TONIGHT AS SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE SLIDES ACROSS THE AREA. LAYERED HUMIDITY PANELS SUGGEST ONLY SOME PASSING HIGH LEVEL CLOUD FROM TIME TO TIME. LOW LEVEL THICKNESSES INDICATE THE GFS MOS HIGHS FOR TODAY LOOK REASONABLE. FAIRLY STRONG WARM ADVECTION DEVELOPS TONIGHT...SO ONLY EXPECTED A SMALL TEMPERATURE FALL TONIGHT. THE GFS MOS LOWS TONIGHT MAY BE A BIT ON THE COLD SIDE AS A RESULT...SO WILL NUDGE UP THE LOWS SLIGHTLY. SHORT TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT/ ISSUED AT 255 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 MODEL DATA SUGGEST UPPER LEVEL ENERGY IS EXPECTED TO DROP SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE ROCKIES AND PLAINS ON SATURDAY. THIS ENERGY WILL PASS OVER THE OHIO VALLEY ON SUNDAY...EVENTUALLY EVOLVING INTO A DEEP COLD UPPER LOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES BY SUNDAY EVENING. OPERATIONAL AND ENSEMBLE DATA ARE CLUSTERED AROUND A SURFACE LOW TRACK FROM ARKANSAS INTO NORTHEAST KENTUCKY ON SUNDAY...AND ON THE HEAVIEST SNOWFALL AXIS ACROSS THE LOCAL AREA. AS A RESULT...CONFIDENCE IN INCREASING ON A SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL FOR THE AREA LATE IN THE WEEKEND PERIOD. A COLD FRONT IS EXPECTED TO APPROACH THE NORTHWEST ZONES LATE IN THE DAY SATURDAY. MODELS SUGGEST SOME LIFT MAY MOVE INTO THE FAR NORTHWEST ZONES LATE IN THE DAY SATURDAY...SO WILL PUT SOME SMALL CHANCE POPS FOR LIGHT SNOW IN THOSE AREAS FOR LATE SATURDAY AFTERNOON. APPEARS THE BEST LIFT...AND RESULTANT HEAVIEST SNOW...WILL BE DURING THE DAY ON SUNDAY AS A STRONG 50-60 KT LOW LEVEL JET MOVES THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY. WILL GO WITH INCREASINGLY HIGH POPS SATURDAY NIGHT AND HIGH POPS ON SUNDAY. LINGERING DEFORMATION ZONE WILL BE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING OFF TO THE EAST SUNDAY EVENING...SO WILL TAPER POPS TO THE CHANCE CATEGORY AT THAT TIME. AT THIS POINT...OPERATIONAL AND ENSEMBLE DATA ARE CLUSTERING AROUND STORM TOTALS IN THE 6 TO 10 INCH RANGE BY SUNDAY NIGHT...ALONG WITH POTENTIAL FOR CONSIDERABLE BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW SUNDAY NIGHT AS WELL AS TEMPERATURES DROPPING WELL BELOW ZERO. HEADLINES WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED SOON TO COVER THE THREAT. BASED ON PROGGED LOW LEVEL THICKNESSES...THE GFS MOS LOWS FOR SATURDAY NIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING MAY BE A LITTLE ON THE COLD SIDE. WILL RAISE THE GUIDANCE UP A COUPLE OF DEGREES IN THOSE PERIODS. HIGHS ON SUNDAY WILL MOST LIKELY BE EARLY IN THE DAY...WILL READINGS POTENTIALLY FALLING TO NEAR ZERO IN THE NORTHWEST ZONES BY DARK. LONG TERM /MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/ ISSUED AT 326 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 MAIN FOCUS FOR THE EXTENDED PERIOD WILL BE ON THE BITTERLY COLD AIR ARRIVING AND REMAINING ACROSS THE REGION INTO MIDWEEK BEFORE TEMPS MODIFY. SUNDAY SNOWSTORM WILL BE WELL OFF TO THE EAST BY DAYBREAK MONDAY WITH THE POLAR VORTEX DIVING INTO THE GREAT LAKES BEHIND THE STORM. MODEL GUIDANCE IN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT ON INTENSE COLD ADVECTION EXPANDING ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY ON MONDAY WITH 850MB TEMPS TUMBLING RAPIDLY TO -30 TO -25C AND POSSIBLY LOWER BY MONDAY EVENING. THIS WILL BRING THE COLDEST TEMPERATURES CENTRAL INDIANA HAS SEEN IN 20 YEARS WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF SUBZERO TEMPS ON THE ORDER OF 36 TO 48 HOURS ACROSS A LARGE PART OF THE FORECAST AREA. CONSIDERING THE MID LEVEL HEIGHTS...LOW LEVEL THERMALS AND GROWING LIKELIHOOD OF A DEEP SNOWPACK...STILL BELIEVE RAW MODEL OUTPUT MAY BE UNDERDOING THE COLD A BIT AND HAVE THEREFORE UNDERCUT ALLBLEND TEMPS INTO WEDNESDAY. THE COLD POOL IS AT ITS MOST INTENSE OVER THE REGION MONDAY AFTERNOON AND NIGHT...AND EXPECT COLDEST TEMPS WILL BE FELT MONDAY NIGHT. HAVE LOWS FROM -17 TO -10F ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA AND FRANKLY THIS MAY STILL BE CONSERVATIVE CONSIDERING MODEL TRENDS THE LAST FEW DAYS. TO PUT THIS COLD BLAST INTO PERSPECTIVE...INDY HAS EXPERIENCED JUST SEVEN DAYS WITH LOWS OF -10 OR LOWER SINCE THE RECORD COLD OF JANUARY 1994. WE MAY ADD TWO DAYS TO THAT LIST EARLY NEXT WEEK. EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE...THE COLDEST HIGH IN RECORDED HISTORY IS -11 FROM JAN 20 1985. ONLY 16 DAYS IN THE INDY PERIOD OF RECORD HAVE EXPERIENCED SUBZERO HIGHS. MONDAY AND TUESDAY MAY BE ADDED TO THIS VERY SHORT LIST. DANGEROUS WIND CHILLS WILL BE A PROBLEM IN TANDEM WITH THE TEMPS... AS THE SHARP PRESSURE GRADIENT BEHIND THE RAPIDLY STRENGTHENING LOW WILL MAINTAIN GUSTS IN THE 20-30MPH RANGE MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT. WIND CHILLS ARE LIKELY TO BOTTOM OUT AT -40 TO -30F MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY. THE POLAR VORTEX WILL LIFT OUT INTO NORTHERN QUEBEC BY LATE TUESDAY AND AS STRONG HIGH PRESSURE PASSES BY TO THE SOUTH...SOUTHERLY FLOW WILL RETURN AND WITH IT RECOVERY IN TEMPS FOR WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. AS THAT TAKES PLACE HOWEVER...YET ANOTHER SYSTEM DIVING OUT OF THE DAKOTAS WILL TRACK INTO THE REGION LATE WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AND TAP INTO GULF MOISTURE. EVEN AT SIX DAYS OUT...THIS IS ALREADY SHOWING OMINOUS SIGNS OF BEING THE NEXT STORM IN THE PIPELINE TO BRING ACCUMULATING SNOW TO THE REGION. STAY TUNED. AVIATION /DISCUSSION FOR THE 030900Z TAF UPDATE/ ISSUED AT 326 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 MINIMAL CHANGES NEEDED FOR THE UPDATE. SKIES WERE CLEAR WITH LIGHT NORTHWEST FLOW. EXPECT THIS TO CONTINUE THROUGH DAYBREAK. 06Z DISCUSSION FOLLOWS. VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THIS TAF PERIOD AS COLD AND DRY HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE CENTRAL PLAINS BUILDS ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY. A FEW VFR LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS ARE EXPECTED IN THE LAF AND HUF AREAS...BUT AS THE WINDS BECOME LIGHTER THROUGH THE NIGHT AND RIDGING BUILDS ALOFT...THESE CLOUDS WILL NO LONGER REACH THE TAF SITES AS THEY CHANGE THEIR TRAJECTORY. TIME HEIGHTS AND FORECAST SOUNDINGS REMAIN DRY ON FRIDAY...THUS VFR WITH ONLY SOME HIGH CI EXPECTED. IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES NONE. SYNOPSIS...JAS NEAR TERM...JAS SHORT TERM...JAS LONG TERM....RYAN AVIATION...JP/RYAN VISIT US AT HTTP://WWW.WEATHER.GOV/IND FOLLOW US ON TWITTER AND YOUTUBE AT: WWW.TWITTER.COM/NWSINDIANAPOLIS WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/NWSINDIANAPOLIS CLICK HERE TO GO TO PREVIOUS BULLETINS. The Nexlab IN Page Main Text Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrackertf Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I havent even bothered with this storm since we had our 3-day snowstorm going on. Now that its done, the snow is shoveled, and I can relax...it just hit me. if this storm pans out...the snow depth...WOW We can dream, man, we can dream. And maybe, just maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 6z NAM shifted south/east a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 6z NAM shifted south/east a bit. Kind of a "meh" run again overall, compared to other models. Not very often that we see the PV so close by during a storm threat so I'm wondering how the models will handle the interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 6z GFS took a bit of a south shift also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I see hints of much stronger development showing up on the GFS 06z and projecting the RGEM forward ... expect the southern low to run into a wall of extreme cold that will force the track south of BNA then north-northeast, with those uppers and the lakes open, this could turn into a monster blizzard, not quite the same pattern as 78 but a lot worse than these early maps are showing. Something like a 970 mb low over central Lake Erie tracking north northeast, 40-50 mph winds over MI into w OH by Sunday afternoon and evening. This could be an extremely dangerous situation for the entire region and in particular south end of Lake Michigan should be prepared for extreme conditions, as strong northerly winds bring heavy snow through much of IN. Bet there won't be any real issues about rain or snow in KY either, this thing will have so much cold air surrounding it when it finally gets the signal to move that it will rapidly develop a coastal secondary moving up the Hudson valley and cut off any warm advection. Just looking at the current situation, can't see much organized warm advection over all this snow and with the frigid air over the northeast locked in by a Quebec high that can't really move, most likely scenario is a very rapid PV transfer south. The SK low looks like it has no clue where to go and will probably just end up dying out over northern ON Saturday as the TX low energizes. Expect some much different looking model runs to start appearing later today. With this development scenario and the open lakes, snowfalls of 20-30 inches are possible in lake enhancement zones and 10-20 inches more generally. We may be about to witness a historic storm with almost unprecedented wind chill and blizzard severity measurements. With the occlusion to the coastal secondary areas such as Toronto could also see very heavy snow as cold southeast winds race into the developing centre. The football game in Green Bay should probably be moved over to MSP so they can play it indoors and they could do a double-header weekend in IND to save the Chargers from freezing to death in CIN. But I imagine we will be treated to a weekend of arctic football such as we are quite familiar with in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I see hints of much stronger development showing up on the GFS 06z and projecting the RGEM forward ... expect the southern low to run into a wall of extreme cold that will force the track south of BNA then north-northeast, with those uppers and the lakes open, this could turn into a monster blizzard, not quite the same pattern as 78 but a lot worse than these early maps are showing. Something like a 970 mb low over central Lake Erie tracking north northeast, 40-50 mph winds over MI into w OH by Sunday afternoon and evening. This could be an extremely dangerous situation for the entire region and in particular south end of Lake Michigan should be prepared for extreme conditions, as strong northerly winds bring heavy snow through much of IN. Bet there won't be any real issues about rain or snow in KY either, this thing will have so much cold air surrounding it when it finally gets the signal to move that it will rapidly develop a coastal secondary moving up the Hudson valley and cut off any warm advection. Just looking at the current situation, can't see much organized warm advection over all this snow and with the frigid air over the northeast locked in by a Quebec high that can't really move, most likely scenario is a very rapid PV transfer south. The SK low looks like it has no clue where to go and will probably just end up dying out over northern ON Saturday as the TX low energizes. Expect some much different looking model runs to start appearing later today. With this development scenario and the open lakes, snowfalls of 20-30 inches are possible in lake enhancement zones and 10-20 inches more generally. We may be about to witness a historic storm with almost unprecedented wind chill and blizzard severity measurements. With the occlusion to the coastal secondary areas such as Toronto could also see very heavy snow as cold southeast winds race into the developing centre. The football game in Green Bay should probably be moved over to MSP so they can play it indoors and they could do a double-header weekend in IND to save the Chargers from freezing to death in CIN. But I imagine we will be treated to a weekend of arctic football such as we are quite familiar with in Canada. I'll go on record and say i will bow down and kill your ass if this happens as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrackertf Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'll go on record and say i will bow down and kill your ass if this happens as you say. Don't kill his ass! We want him around to luck us into another historic storm someday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchageddon Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I see hints of much stronger development showing up on the GFS 06z and projecting the RGEM forward ... expect the southern low to run into a wall of extreme cold that will force the track south of BNA then north-northeast, with those uppers and the lakes open, this could turn into a monster blizzard, not quite the same pattern as 78 but a lot worse than these early maps are showing. Something like a 970 mb low over central Lake Erie tracking north northeast, 40-50 mph winds over MI into w OH by Sunday afternoon and evening. This could be an extremely dangerous situation for the entire region and in particular south end of Lake Michigan should be prepared for extreme conditions, as strong northerly winds bring heavy snow through much of IN. Bet there won't be any real issues about rain or snow in KY either, this thing will have so much cold air surrounding it when it finally gets the signal to move that it will rapidly develop a coastal secondary moving up the Hudson valley and cut off any warm advection. Just looking at the current situation, can't see much organized warm advection over all this snow and with the frigid air over the northeast locked in by a Quebec high that can't really move, most likely scenario is a very rapid PV transfer south. The SK low looks like it has no clue where to go and will probably just end up dying out over northern ON Saturday as the TX low energizes. Expect some much different looking model runs to start appearing later today. With this development scenario and the open lakes, snowfalls of 20-30 inches are possible in lake enhancement zones and 10-20 inches more generally. We may be about to witness a historic storm with almost unprecedented wind chill and blizzard severity measurements. With the occlusion to the coastal secondary areas such as Toronto could also see very heavy snow as cold southeast winds race into the developing centre. The football game in Green Bay should probably be moved over to MSP so they can play it indoors and they could do a double-header weekend in IND to save the Chargers from freezing to death in CIN. But I imagine we will be treated to a weekend of arctic football such as we are quite familiar with in Canada. All I can say is I hope your right. I have never been under an official blizzard warning (only LES type) and I feel like I am "missing out" as they say. I'll go on record and say i will bow down and kill your ass if this happens as you say. ---> I've already bowed down when I read a 1911 summer reference from Roger for the summer of 2012 in southern Ontario. I was practically obsessed with 1911 at the time and to hear another person forecast and compare that to a summer I wanted to be torchageddon was magic. Don't kill his ass! We want him around to luck us into another historic storm someday! LOL, this page is hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Feeling about as good as I can at this range for 8"+ amounts for LAF. Double digits certainly a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Feeling about as good as I can at this range for 8"+ amounts for LAF. Double digits certainly a possibility. I dare say this out loud, but I think we just might be in a good spot this time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue60007 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Feeling about as good as I can at this range for 8"+ amounts for LAF. Double digits certainly a possibility. Hush. The euro definitely looks promising. Suspect we'll start seeing headlines by this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrackertf Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Feeling about as good as I can at this range for 8"+ amounts for LAF. Double digits certainly a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Global_Warmer Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 GOOD MORNING, GOOOOOOOOD MORNINGGGGGG TO YOU. Never been in the 11"+ band this far out. So looks like I will get 2-3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Perry Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Lol... Here we go again. It's going to snow??? Not one mention of it and as a matter of fact let's just talk about wind chills instead, not because people couldn't get stranded in there car outside IN the windchills due to the HEAVY SNOW you have failed to mention lol. AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI 658 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 LATEST UPDATE... AVIATION SYNOPSIS ISSUED AT 328 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 THE BIG WEATHER STORY THROUGH THE NEXT FEW DAYS WILL BE THE ARRIVAL OF AN ARCTIC BLAST SATURDAY NIGHT AND THE CORE OF THE COLDEST AIR COMING ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY. MEANTIME...WE/LL SEE SOME SUNSHINE TODAY BEFORE LAKE CLOUDS DEVELOP. HOWEVER THE WIND IS GOING TO PICK UP AND WHEN COMBINED WITH TEMPS IN THE TEENS WILL PRODUCE WIND CHILLS IN THE 10 TO 15 BELOW RANGE EARLY TODAY. THE COLDEST AIR WILL ARRIVE MONDAY AND TUESDAY. TEMPERATURES WILL STRUGGLE TO RISE ABOVE 0. WIND CHILLS 20 TO 30 BELOW SEEM LIKELY MONDAY AND TUESDAY. WARMER AIR WILL ARRIVE BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. SHORT TERM (TODAY THROUGH SUNDAY) ISSUED AT 328 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 FORECAST CONCERNS DEAL WITH WIND CHILLS THIS MORNING AND THEN SNOW POTENTIAL SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. WINDS WILL PICK UP THIS AFTERNOON AS THE CLIPPER DRAGGING THE ARCTIC FRONT APPROACHES. IN FACT...WINDS ALONG THE COAST MAY APPROACH ADVISORY CRITERIA BUT FOR THE MOST PART SHOULD FALL JUST SHY. WIND CHILLS THIS MORNING SHOULD BE IN THE 10 TO 15 BELOW RANGE FOR A FEW HOURS BEFORE CLIMBING THIS AFTERNOON. SOME SNOW SHOWERS WILL ALSO DEVELOP NORTH OF MUSKEGON AND WEST OF US-131 AS SW FLOW DEVELOPS BUT ACCUMS SHOULD BE LESS THAN AN INCH AS MOISTURE IS A LIMITING FACTOR ALONG WITH UPPER SHORT WAVE RIDGING. SATURDAY WILL BE THE WARMEST DAY AS TEMPS MAKE A RUN AT 30 IN SW FLOW AHEAD OF THE FRONT. HOWEVER...BREEZY CONDITIONS WILL MAKE IT FEEL MUCH COLDER. THE ARCTIC FRONT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE CWA SATURDAY AFTERNOON. LIGHT SNOW WILL ACCOMPANY THE FRONT. ACCUMS IN THE 1 TO 3 INCH RANGE SEEM POSSIBLE. THERE IS SOME OMEGA IN THE DGZ AS IT LOWERS THROUGH THE PERIOD FROM SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY. TEMPS WON/T MOVE MUCH SUNDAY AS STRONG COLD AIR ADVECTION WILL BE UNDERWAY. LONG TERM (SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY) ISSUED AT 328 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 THE DANGEROUSLY LOW WIND CHILLS FOR MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING CONTINUE TO BE THE WEATHER HIGHLIGHT IN THE LONG TERM. WIND CHILL READINGS ON MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT AROUND -25 OR COLDER WILL LIKELY NECESSITATE WIND CHILL WARNINGS FOR THE FIRST DAY BACK TO SCHOOL. SINCE WE WILL BE COLD ADVECTING LATE SUNDAY NIGHT AND ALL DAY MONDAY... THE HIGH TEMP FOR MONDAY 1/6 WILL PROBABLY BE THE MIDNIGHT READING. TEMPS ON MONDAY AFTERNOON MAY ACTUALLY FALL BELOW ZERO. IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE HIGH ON MONDAY IS ONLY AROUND ZERO... THIS COULD BE IN THE TOP TEN COLDEST HIGH TEMPS AT LEAST AT GRR. LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS AND BLOWING SNOW ALONG AND WEST OF HIGHWAY 131 MONDAY AND TUESDAY WILL BE ADDITIONAL HAZARDS EARLY NEXT WEEK THAT MAY PRODUCE TRAVEL IMPACTS. THE VERY COLD TEMPS AND SNOW WILL MAKE ROADS ICY AND CHEMICALS WILL PROBABLY BE INEFFECTIVE. TOTAL LAKE EFFECT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD BE RELATIVELY LIGHT GIVEN THAT A DGZ WILL NOT BE PRESENT DUE TO THE VERY COLD AIR MASS. THAT MAY BEGIN TO CHANGE BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON AS SLIGHT WARMING ALLOWS THE DGZ TO RETURN TO THE CLOUD LAYER. ALTHOUGH THE CORE OF THE COLDEST AIR LIFTS OUT ON TUESDAY... THE SNOW THREAT CONTINUES INTO WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AS ANOTHER H5 TROUGH DIGS WEST OF MI AND MAY INDUCE WARM ADVECTION SNOWS. AVIATION (FOR THE 12Z TAFS THROUGH 12Z SATURDAY MORNING) ISSUED AT 658 AM EST FRI JAN 3 2014 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MKG... VFR LIKELY TODAY AND TONIGHT WITH INCREASING WINDS FROM THE SOUTH. WINDS THIS AFTERNOON WILL BEGIN GUSTING TO 20-25 KNOTS BUT THE STRONGEST WINDS WILL BE TONIGHT WHEN GUSTS TO 25-30 KNOTS ARE EXPECTED. AT MKG... A BAND OF DISSIPATING LAKE EFFECT SNOW WILL COME ONSHORE AROUND MID MORNING BRINGING MVFR VSBYS AND CIGS... AND POSSIBLY A PERIOD OF IFR. THE SNOW SHOWERS SHOULD DISSIPATE COMPLETELY BY MID AFTERNOON. WINDS AT THE LAKESHORE TONIGHT COULD GUST AS HIGH AS 40 KTS AT TIMES AFTER 00Z. MARINE ISSUED AT 856 PM EST THU JAN 2 2014 UPGRADED THE GALE WATCH TO A WARNING. CONFIDENCE IS PRETTY HIGH THAT WINDS WILL REALLY PICK UP FRIDAY AFTERNOON FROM THE SOUTHWEST AND REACH GALES LATE IN THE DAY. HYDROLOGY ISSUED AT 236 PM EST THU JAN 2 2014 A FLOOD ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR THE FLAT RIVER AT SMYRNA. A SUSPECTED ICE JAM UPSTREAM IS CAUSING A SHARP RISE AT THE SMYRNA RIVER GAUGE. THE ICE JAM ON THE MUSKEGON RIVER THAT HAS IMPACTED EVART SEEMS TO HAVE STABILIZED. THE MUSKEGON RIVER AT EVART IS NOW ON A GRADUAL DECLINE. THE FLOOD ADVISORIES FOR THE MUSKEGON RIVER AT EVART AND THE PERE MARQUETTE RIVER AT SCOTTVILLE HAVE BEEN CANCELED. RIVERS WILL CONTINUE GAINING ICE COVERAGE AND THICKNESS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THOSE RIVERS THAT ICE OVER COMPLETELY WILL HAVE A MINIMAL ICE JAM THREAT. RIVERS WITH JAGGED ICE BUILDUP ARE IN DANGER OF EXPERIENCING JAMMING AND RAPID FLUCTUATIONS. WIDESPREAD HEAVIER SNOW IS LIKELY SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT...FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY BY A BLAST OF EXTREMELY COLD AIR. HOPEFULLY RIVER LEVELS WILL LOCK IN SOMEWHAT WITH THE COLD AIR IN PLACE. GRR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES MI...NONE. LM...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 1 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR LMZ844>849. GALE WARNING FROM 1 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 1 PM EST SATURDAY FOR LMZ844>849. SYNOPSIS...93 SHORT TERM...93 LONG TERM...MEADE AVIATION...MEADE HYDROLOGY...EBW MARINE...93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Nam has a full sampling at 12z. sharper and stronger out east wit that trough. Stronger ridging out West. Stronger, sharper and more compact trough/vort energy out West too. Here we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hush. The euro definitely looks promising. Suspect we'll start seeing headlines by this afternoon. I'm confident enough to post this... 16.1" on Feb 16-17, 1910 15.5" on Jan 25-27, 1978 13.2" on Feb 27-29, 1984 13.0" on Dec 18-20, 1973 12.8" on Jan 2-4, 1996 12.5" on Feb 24-25, 1965 12.5" on Jan 26-28, 2009 12.3" on Mar 19-20, 1906 11.8" on Dec 28-30, 1973 11.8" on Mar 19-20, 1996 That's the 10 biggest snowstorms on record for Indianapolis. Poor big snowstorm climo compared to other sites in the GL/OV...but the Euro and its ensembles have been pretty consistent, all things considered. This one may have a chance to break into that list for Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 2.1 Final Call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 huge changes coming on the nam.Differences from 00z to 12z today at H5 are huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vespasian70 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 huge changes coming on the nam. Differences from 00z to 12z today at H5 are huge. Wagons west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 huge changes coming on the nam. Differences from 00z to 12z today at H5 are huge. h5 differences by 12z Sat aren't that huge. Maybe a minor shift towards foreign consensus. Nothing earth shattering. You're locked and loaded. Good luck! Wanna play halo sat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 2.1 Final Call Easy over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 h5 differences by 12z Sat aren't that huge. Maybe a minor shift towards foreign consensus. Nothing earth shattering. You're locked and loaded. Good luck! Wanna play halo sat? Sure. Add: Arch3rsterling5 I haven't played in about 10 days. But it's easy to pick up after 12 years of playing quite a bit. as far as the NAM it has major amplifying potential and we know the nam can go berserk with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Easy over. I really haven't looked at much, just clicked my point, saw the NAM/GFS and went with a number. Seems like foreign models have remained more bullish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 so, burried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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