weatherMA Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Jerry was on vacation, remembers it well. Lol, actually did laugh out loud with that one. Nice. Scott, interesting stuff, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Geez, Ginx. So the GFS and NAM are really out to lunch with this type of setup? Is this a big factor? Geez, Ginx. So the GFS and NAM are really out to lunch with this type of setup? Is this a big factor?There's a reason I have been on the save a horse ride the Euro on every big dog event. Now a swfe or diving clipper it can fail but 99/100 in this setup it wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Sweet. I need to read up on that There's a nice meteorological account of it near the very beginning of volume 2 of the KU book(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 There's a nice meteorological account of it near the very beginning of volume 2 of the KU book(s). I am reading about it online. -2F Tallahassee. Wow. Nice article by Kocin Weiss Wagner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Thanks Scooter for that info. How much different is the GFS vs Euro resolution? 10%? Don't quote me, but GFS is 27km and EC 15km? Without risking looking like a fool, DTK is best for these questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 There's a nice meteorological account of it near the very beginning of volume 2 of the KU book(s). What a big bag of WTF for those people in Tampa lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 What a big bag of WTF for those people in Tampa lol. Not sure how many people there knew what snow was back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 GFS MOS a 6 on Thursday and an 8 on Friday for BDL in the snow category lol. Also -5 Saturday morning - if we decouple BDL could make a run at -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Don't quote me, but GFS is 27km and EC 15km? Without risking looking like a fool, DTK is best for these questions. I believe you to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 50+ people waiting for their fix in 18 minutes. Winters here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 What a big bag of WTF for those people in Tampa lol.. Jan 1977, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Don't quote me, but GFS is 27km and EC 15km? Without risking looking like a fool, DTK is best for these questions.And that difference can do the deed wrt convection issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 34" of snow, Cape May. NJ. Feb 1899. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Will thought it was near -2 in January 2004 in a weak clipper with snow, but yes it's unheard of. It realistically might be single digits, but that is Sam cold. We got 8" out of that one with temps mostly in the high single digits. The following obs are for ISP http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KISP/2004/1/15/DailyHistory.html Nice cold day at ORH: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORH/2004/1/15/DailyHistory.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I only recall the Jan '04 clipper being below zero...but it was a clipper. The larger SWFE in January 1999 started off as like 3F and snow I remember. And I also now recall around 5F and snow in January 1994 during one of those storms...but it didn't last long...usually on the front end. I cannot recall near zero temps in the cold conveyor belt of a system around here. I'm sure its happened at some point, but it has to be extremely rare. Jan 57 was another cold one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 34" of snow, Cape May. NJ. Feb 1899. Wow 24.5" in ORH in that storm...it was a true monster for a large area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 And that difference can do the deed wrt convection issues? Partly, and also depends on the convective scheme the model has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 24.5" in ORH in that storm...it was a true monster for a large area. Was that the storm you found out about a couple of years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Was that the storm you found out about a couple of years ago?. This is a cool readhttp://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0434(1988)003%3C0305%3ATGAOAE%3E2.0.CO%3B2 Dang. Won't link. http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0434(1988)003%3C0305%3ATGAOAE%3E2.0.CO%3B2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 50+ people waiting for their fix in 18 minutes. Winters here! It's rare I stay up but I'm compelled to tonight...come on baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 It's rare I stay up but I'm compelled to tonight...come on baby I'm so tired I can't sleep. I hate that. Might as well wait for the model to roll out. Good stuff from Scott earlier on feedback. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 With most other guidance leaning ots can the euro do anything else but join them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Was that the storm you found out about a couple of years ago? Yes...the old coop has it. Pretty epic 15 day period that February... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Wow that's a nice stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Where did the 15" otg go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 through 24, euro following suit with the gfs by showing a less amplified ridge out west. small, subtle differences that will affect the downstream effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 a little snippet from LWX winter weather link re the bliz of 1899 and that winter ebruary 1899: The Great Arctic Outbreak of '99 and the Great Eastern Blizzard of '99 occurred this month. A snowstorm struck the Washington area on February 8 dumping 14 inches of snow. Extreme cold settled in behind the storm. Quantico recorded a record low of -20° F and Washington, DC recorded -15° F. The blizzard struck on Valentine's Day dropping 21 inches in Washington and Baltimore. Winds drove the snow into 10 foot drifts. These blocked transportation lines into the city causing a major coal shortage that resulted in rationing. Food was also rationed, though not as severely as the coal. The storm had given Washington a snow depth of 34 inches (almost 3 feet) and the city recorded its greatest monthly snow total with 35.2 inches. Its greatest seasonal snowfall total was reached that season with 54.4 inches. Warrenton recorded 54 inches (four and a half feet) just during the month of February, setting a state record for monthly snowfall. That winter (1898-1899) was so cold over a large part of the US that ice flowed from the Mississippi River into the Gulf of Mexico! The only other time that this has been seen was on February 13, 1784, when ice flows blocked the Mississippi River at New Orleans and then passed into the Gulf of Mexico. http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/winter/DC-Winters.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Yes...the old coop has it. Pretty epic 15 day period that February... Crummy ratios 2/13 - 14. Wonder how they came up with that SWE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 With most other guidance leaning ots can the euro do anything else but join them? We're getting a decent snow Ralph, Good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Crummy ratios 2/13 - 14. Wonder how they came up with that SWE? I'm doubting some of the L.E.s....who knows what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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