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January 2-3 winter storm 18z model discussion thread


REDMK6GLI

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GFS clown maps are 10-12" through LI. 12"+ on north fork. About 8" for NYC. Not bad.

 

We don't even need the low to be that close to the coast with enhanced convergence along the coastal trough

extending west from the double barreled low to our east. Hopefully, the trough axis snows work out as advertised

should the lows track this far east.

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Looking at 500mb you can see that we're partially victimized here by not having a clean phase. Part of the southern stream energy is allowed to escape northeast of the main trough, and that is what the GFS blows up into the more eastern low. That looks bogus and once that is resolved the final outcome should be one, stronger low pressure system, and a track closer to the coast.

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Looking at 500mb you can see that we're partially victimized here by not having a clean phase. Part of the southern stream energy is allowed to escape northeast of the main trough, and that is what the GFS blows up into the more eastern low. That looks bogus and once that is resolved the final outcome should be one, stronger low pressure system, and a track closer to the coast.

 

the 18z GFS is known for having these hiccups. I don't get it because the southern stream sampling is only going to be getting better throughout the night and into tomorrow. I agree that the idea the 18z gfs had was bogus and no one should use it as gospel

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Tonight's runs should be good if that energy comes ashore. The QPF shield is quite expansive given how far offshore the lows are that even in a bad scenario we would still get 6"+ and maybe up to 10 with ratios factored in, especially just east of the city. 

 

If that classic N&W trend holds serve, then we should be good in 3 days.

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The GFS was fine. It held serve buy diving the northern branch in and the model sees the deepening once to the eastern seaboard. Like almost every good winter storm it loves to jump the energy too far east 4 days out.

you will see the GFS start to have more of a tucked in negatively tilted look to it like it's ensembles and the euro have it within a day

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The GFS was fine. It held serve buy diving the northern branch in and the model sees the deepening once to the eastern seaboard. Like almost every good winter storm it loves to jump the energy too far east 4 days out.

you will see the GFS start to have more of a tucked in negatively tilted look to it like it's ensembles and the euro have it within a day

Paul please participate in this thread would love to have your feedback present as well as earthlight, isotherm and bluewave as well. Storm At Sea is not allowed :lmao:

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Tonight's runs should be good if that energy comes ashore. The QPF shield is quite expansive given how far offshore the lows are that even in a bad scenario we would still get 6"+ and maybe up to 10 with ratios factored in, especially just east of the city. 

 

If that classic N&W trend holds serve, then we should be good in 3 days.

 

Yeah, we need the coastal trough axis to work out as advertised. It seems like these were more common in the 70's..80's..90's

than recent years.

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This. I strongly agree. All if the models suddenly jumped to an amplified solution, there's no debating it at this point.

 

the block is helping as well. 00z should have the data from the southern stream as it makes landfall as well. overall john the trends were just amazing to say the least today.  Miller A look likely

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