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January 2/3 Event - Disco., Nowcasting, and Obs.


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All the models are depicting a snowfall gradient (NOT amounts--- just the gradient) very similar to 2/78 for I-95. That would have been a heart-breaker for DC to track, but Baltimore northeastward, and even DC's northern and northeastern suburbs experienced a completely different storm. And as you headed northeastward, each city got somewhat more than the previous city, ending with the Boston jackpot. 

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Don't be a dick I was trying to help the guy out by saying he was directing his response to the wrong person.

I am not i am trying to diffuse the situation, which you are obviously not. But seeing UVV's response apparently you did a good job, sorry for being a dick even though i was just trying to help.

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It is all semantics DTK asked why he said that,and he was defending the GFS as all of us would our work. And UVV was explaining why he thought it was wrong, i don't see why this has blown up into an argument. Let 2 intelligent grown men discuss their differing thoughts.

To clarify, I wasn't even defending the GFS.   The statement was silly...."I want to believe that the GFS is struggling".  It was just thrown out there without any rhyme or reason.

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Well I am in Cecil County Colora nowhere near Elkton about 540 feet elevation NW up near PA Line and in December about 16 inches so I say bring another 8 thursday night. Yes Elkton does get the shaft many times I will get 6 or more inches and a thirty min drive down to Elkton a slushy inch.........

 

 

might have to drive up to Elkton, from  White Marsh if you do get a good bit lol

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Well what I said to dtk could you please read then. Oops! My apologies to you dtk, hope you aren't offended :) neither are you chris I hope just getting my point across. Can't believe I didn't notice

I'm not offended...it's fine and I assumed it was an honest mistake.  I am just sensitive this morning after having spent too much time in the New England Subforum.

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To clarify, I wasn't even defending the GFS. The statement was silly...."I want to believe that the GFS is struggling". It was just thrown out there without any rhyme or reason.

In that respect I meant the exact opposite. What I really meant is I wanted to believe the GFS was wrong was said because if I were to just flat out say its wrong that would be weenie if I just blatantly said it was wrong. Sorry for tehe misunderstanding.
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The GFS and Nam both suggest maybe an inch or two around DC.  Right now I'd go with a dusting to an 2".  I'm not good enough to parse it any more than that.  This still is a complex surface development. I don't see a 78 type storm.  I used that storm once before as an analog for snow developing almost right over us and got my butt handed to me. 

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All the models are depicting a snowfall gradient (NOT amounts--- just the gradient) very similar to 2/78 for I-95. That would have been a heart-breaker for DC to track, but Baltimore northeastward, and even DC's northern and northeastern suburbs experienced a completely different storm. And as you headed northeastward, each city got somewhat more than the previous city, ending with the Boston jackpot. 

I was thinking of this storm too (2/6-7/78) while reading through the latest posts....NE Balto city where I lived got a foot of snow.  I think DC got basically nothing inside the beltway... a rather remarkable gradient.....but I don't think the current setup is quite as dynamic as that great blizzard was.

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No more than usual. I know you and a few others will hug the snowiest solution until it's partly cloudy so there's gotta be some balance.

 

I've said all along these situations are often considerably better starting in the Balt to PHL corridor and even better NE of there. 

 

BUT I think you want as much juice as possible on the good models to feel good as losing a tenth or two (or more) liquid shouldn't be surprising in the end.  These things often develop slower than modeled.

Yeah, but you seem to be overcompensating lately.  Just saying.

 

I mean, I'm probably you mitchnick and winterwxluvr personified....I tend to be more positive than negative, but not unrealistically so.  The RGEM isn't as terrible as you make it out to be...it's not a top tier model, but going from what we've heard from some mets, it has some credibility.    It's solution with this system prob isn't that credible tho.

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The GFS and Nam both suggest maybe an inch or two around DC.  Right now I'd go with a dusting to an 2".  I'm not good enough to parse it any more than that.  This still is a complex surface development. I don't see a 78 type storm.  I used that storm once before as an analog for snow developing almost right over us and got my butt handed to me. 

Back to reality. Don't be so modest Wes you are the Tom Brady of weather. The only problem is you don't have Giselle, although i assume your wife is much lovelier.

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The GFS and Nam both suggest maybe an inch or two around DC.  Right now I'd go with a dusting to an 2".  I'm not good enough to parse it any more than that.  This still is a complex surface development. I don't see a 78 type storm.  I used that storm once before as an analog for snow developing almost right over us and got my butt handed to me. 

Oh, I know the evolution is entirely different and that storm didn't have the overrunning band ahead of it in the northeast. (And I think you're talking about 12/00 for the busted forecast, right?)

But, doesn't that gradient pretty much agree with your thoughts though? That the DC area is in the beggar zone but somewhere northeast of us- not sure where- snowfall amounts will ramp up quickly? Again, I'm not talking about the storm itself, just the idea of a significant, widespread snowstorm for the northeast where we are dusting up on the crumbs. 

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The GFS and Nam both suggest maybe an inch or two around DC.  Right now I'd go with a dusting to an 2".  I'm not good enough to parse it any more than that.  This still is a complex surface development. I don't see a 78 type storm.  I used that storm once before as an analog for snow developing almost right over us and got my butt handed to me. 

That's about as good a call anyone can make now. If the models do bump up qpf. I would be afraid if I was a forecaster to bump up totals. So far this morning there have been some pretty aggressive calls from local Baltimore stations.

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In that respect I meant the exact opposite. What I really meant is I wanted to believe the GFS was wrong was said because if I were to just flat out say its wrong that would be weenie if I just blatantly said it was wrong. Sorry for tehe misunderstanding.

 

sorry if what i said came across as harsh -- it's fine to say a model is wrong but to say the dynamics aren't linked within the model is just plain wrong -- i cringe when I see certain mets use that logic 

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Yeah, but you seem to be overcompensating lately.  Just saying.

 

I mean, I'm probably you mitchnick and winterwxluvr personified....I tend to be more positive than negative, but not unrealistically so.  The RGEM isn't as terrible as you make it out to be...it's not a top tier model, but going from what we've heard from some mets, it has some credibility.    It's solution with this system prob isn't that credible tho.

 

I never look at the RGEM unless it's posted here.. it's not worth the time IMO. I think some are of the belief that having every single piece of model data makes you have a better picture when in fact it might be the opposite. Even run to run you see most people make sweeping changes in their thoughts when they should be building a brain ensemble over the course of a day or so, compared back to similar as you go.

 

I do sometimes make it a point to be sharp/curt in my commentary. But again it's like swimming against a gulf stream of positivity so maybe that's partly why it's noticeable. 

 

So far the end game of this storm has more or less fit in with my thoughts.. so hard to apologize too much, yet at least.

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Oh, I know the evolution is entirely different and that storm didn't have the overrunning band ahead of it in the northeast. (And I think you're talking about 12/00 for the busted forecast, right?)

But, doesn't that gradient pretty much agree with your thoughts though? That the DC area is in the beggar zone but somewhere northeast of us- not sure where- snowfall amounts will ramp up quickly? 

They could ramp up to our northeast but I wouldn't expect a 78 type megastorm.  If Mapgirl gets 3 or 4 inches she should be happy....knowing her she will be even if she only gets 2.  I guess my point about was that this kind o storm it is tough to forecast where any heavier banding might develop and that it can sometimes develop later than forecast.   Somehow I remember that happening around here more than the opposite except for the veteran's day storm. 

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They could ramp up to our northeast but I wouldn't expect a 78 type megastorm.  If Mapgirl gets 3 or 4 inches she should be happy....knowing her she will be even if she only gets 2.  I guess my point about was that this kind o storm it is tough to forecast where any heavier banding might develop and that it can sometimes develop later than forecast.   Somehow I remember that happening around here more than the opposite except for the veteran's day storm.

Im happy whether it snows or not. I've never expected much from this system, too many moving parts that makes forecasting it horrendous. With that said, I'd be shocked if I got up to 4" and pleased with even a dusting. :)

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