blue60007 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 18Z GFS ratcheted the cold back up. I may have just looked up the operating range of my weather station thermometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Skilling showing these wind chills for Sunday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Skilling showing these wind chills for Sunday morning. extremecold.png I wonder what -75 would be on the old scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 18Z GFS ratcheted the cold back up. I may have just looked up the operating range of my weather station thermometer. 00z continued and the 850 mb temps are closer to what the colder models have been advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 00z continued and the 850 mb temps are closer to what the colder models have been advertising. Ya closer to the euro especially Monday morning around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 00z GFS has 850 mb and 925 mb temps around -32C overhead at 18z Monday. Brrr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I was down at Toronto Harbour Front this afternoon and the harbor was frozen solid. You could probably skate to the Toronto Islands! The funny thing is that a local reporter once wrote that up until the 50s this was a regular occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvsnow Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yea...this is the first time the GFS has had the -30 850s into Indiana and Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 lol, wow. But yeah, no I understand the process. Imagine if we could pull a day where it doesn't get out of the double digits below zero... I'm almost ready to go there. Assuming no cheap midnight high on Monday, we're going to have a shot. Can't believe I'm saying it but if everything breaks right, perhaps the coldest daytime reading since January 20, 1985 or even January 1, 1864. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wonder what -75 would be on the old scale. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/?n=windchill#New Assuming the -75 results from a -35 air temp with 35 mph winds, that would equate to -105 on the old scale. If anything close to those RPM model wind chills verify, that could be all-time record low wind chills for the lower 48 (outside of mountainous areas like Mt. Washington). That is insane. Even a -60 wind chill on the new scale (-30 with a 20 mph wind) is remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 00z MEX...high of -14 in LAF on Monday...no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I was down at Toronto Harbour Front this afternoon and the harbor was frozen solid. You could probably skate to the Toronto Islands! The funny thing is that a local reporter once wrote that up until the 50s this was a regular occurrence. I noticed that too today. I think tomorrow morning will have the coldest temperatures for Toronto in the next 7 days, but there's a good chance that high temperatures will struggle to go above 0 F (-18C) on Tuesday. Latest short range guidance is hinting at temps tomorrow morning around -14/-15F (-25/-26C) at Pearson Airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 00z MEX...high of -14 in LAF on Monday...no words. lafinsanity.png Holy got rochester to -29 and winds to 20 on Sunday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I noticed that too today. I think tomorrow morning will have the coldest temperatures for Toronto in the next 7 days, but there's a good chance that high temperatures will struggle to go above 0 F (-18C) on Tuesday. Latest short range guidance is hinting at temps tomorrow morning around -14/-15F (-25/-26C) at Pearson Airport. Probably contingent on the amount of clearing and if the winds slacken off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Probably contingent on the amount of clearing and if the winds slacken off. I'm down to -21.3 Celsius at my place. Looks like the sky has cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago Storm Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Obviously still 3+ days out, but... Records that could be in jeopardy for Chicago/ORD: 1/6: Min high -1 (1912) & min low -14 (1988). 1/7: Min high -4 (1942) & min low -16 (1912). Coldest max temps on record: 1. -11 (12/24/1983) 2. -11 (1/18/994) 3. -10 (1/25/1987) 4. -8 (2/9/1899) 5. -7 (1/16/1977) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wonder what -75 would be on the old scale. http://www.onlineconversion.com/windchill.htm Around -90F, deadly cold wind chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'm down to -21.3 Celsius at my place. Looks like the sky has cleared. Its down to -21.8C on my thermometer. Skies are clearing and the winds are dieing down. YYZ sitting at -19.4C but it should drop off later in the night. Still have 7 hours till it bottoms out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 This is valid at 18z Monday, so not peak heating, but it shows why there should be high confidence on daytime temps remaining well below zero at LAF on Monday. Mixing heights are around 900 mb on this sounding with dry adiabatic lapse rates below that. If the GFS is correct with the vertical temperature structure aloft, it's basically impossible to be much warmer than about -26C (or around -15F) at the surface at that time as it would take a superadiabatic layer near the surface, which is not happening at this time of year with a deep snowpack. So between this, MOS, other model support and the fact that we're only a few days away, it's getting to the point where it's time to go all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The records I think may be unsafe at this time are the low max and min on Jan 6th. Both are from the 1912 outbreak which saw MKE stay below zero for +110 consecutive hours. Max 01/06/1912 -8 Min 01/06/1912 -18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL930 PM CST THU JAN 2 2014 /1030 PM EST THU JAN 2 2014/ ..RECORD LONGEST STREAKS OF BELOW ZERO TEMPERATURESIF CURRENT FORECASTS VERIFY THEN THE BITTER COLD SNAP EARLY NEXTWEEK WILL BE THE LONGEST DURATION PERIOD OF SUBZERO TEMPERATURESSINCE EARLY FEBRUARY 1996...OR NEARLY 17 YEARS. HERE'S A LOOK BACKAT SOME OF THE LONGEST DURATION PERIODS OF CONSECUTIVE HOURS WITHSUBZERO TEMPERATURES IN CHICAGO AND ROCKFORD DATING BACK TO THEWINTER OF 1929-30.CHICAGORANK # OF HOURS CLIMBED ABOVE COLDEST TEMPBELOW ZERO ZERO DURING STREAK1) 98 DEC 26 1983 AT 11 AM -252) 66 FEB 4 1996 AT 2 PM -193) 60 JAN 11 1982 AT 8 AM -264) 48 JAN 21 1985 AT 8 AM -275) 45 JAN 19 1994 AT 2 PM -216) 44 JAN 6 1988 AT 1 PM -1444 JAN 16 1994 AT 12 PM -178) 43 JAN 17 1977 AT 1 PM -199) 42 JAN 17 1982 AT 11 PM -2510) 39 FEB 10 1933 AT 9 AM -19ROCKFORDRANK # OF HOURS CLIMBED ABOVE COLDEST TEMPBELOW ZERO ZERO DURING STREAK1) 128 FEB 5 1996 AT 2 AM -242) 102 DEC 26 1983 AT 12 PM -243) 84(E) JAN 22 1970 AT 8 AM -224) 75(E) JAN 30 1966 AT 1 PM -205) 70 JAN 7 1988 AT 1 PM -196) 62 DEC 23 1989 AT 1 PM -207) 61 JAN 16 1994 AT 1 PM -218) 58 JAN 31 1951 AT 11 AM -19IN 1970 AND 1966 ROCKFORD TEMPERATURE RECORDS WERE 3 HOURLY...SOTHE DURATION WAS ESTIMATED AND COULD BE OFF BY A COUPLE OFHOURS...BUT WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO IMPACT THE RANKING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 YYZ down to -20C (-4F) Skies are clearing up and winds have calmed down. Should continue cooling through the night though I doubt we will break the -26C (-15F) record set back in 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 ON SUNDAY...THE MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT ANOTHER ARCTICCOLD FRONT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE AREA. THIS FRONT WILL USHER INONE OF THE COLDEST AIR MASSES SINCE FEBRUARY 2-3 1996. BY MONDAYMORNING...925 MB TEMPERATURES FALL TO AROUND -34C IN BOTH THE GFSAND THE ECMWF...AND THE 850 MB TEMPERATURES ARE AROUND -28C IN THEGFS AND -30C IN THE ECMWF. THE 850 MB TEMPERATURES ARE3.5 STANDARD DEVIATIONS BELOW NORMAL. WITH THE SURFACE HIGHPRESSURE BEING OFF TO OUR SOUTHWEST...THE SYNOPTIC SITUATIONRESEMBLES JANUARY 18 1994. MOST OF THE FORECAST AREA SAW HIGHTEMPERATURES RANGING FROM -10 TO -21F ON THIS DAY. AS ARESULT...FEEL GOOD WITH THE FORECAST HIGH TEMPERATURES OF -14F TO-18F. THE FORECAST ON THIS DAY WAS A BLEND OF THE GFS AND ECMWFGRIDS.LOW TEMPERATURES ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY NIGHT CONTINUE TO BETRICKY. ON SUNDAY NIGHT...SKIES WILL LIKELY REMAIN MOSTLY CLOUDYAND THIS WOULD NORMALLY KEEP TEMPERATURES UP SOME. HOWEVER...THISIS ALSO THE SAME TIME IN WHICH THE COLD AIR ADVECTION IS THESTRONGEST. AS A RESULT WENT WITH LOW TEMPERATURES RANGING FROM-20 TO -26. ON MONDAY NIGHT...WARM AIR ADVECTION WILL START TODEVELOP ACROSS THE AREA. HOWEVER MODEL SOUNDINGS STILL SHOW ANINVERSION BELOW 950 MB...SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE COOL QUITE A BITUNDER THE MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES.THROUGHOUT THE SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING TIMEPERIOD...WIND SPEEDS WILL REMAIN IN THE 10 TO 20 MPH RANGE. AGAINSIMILAR TO JANUARY 18 1994. THE COMBINATION OF THESE WINDS AND THEFRIGID TEMPERATURES WILL PRODUCE WIND CHILL VALUES OF -40 TO -50F.WIND CHILLS THIS LOW CAN FREEZE EXPOSED SKIN IN LESS THAN 10MINUTES. AS A RESULT...STILL EXPECT THAT A WIND CHILL WARNING WILLBE NEEDED FOR THE FORECAST AREA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Meso Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 ON SUNDAY...THE MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT ANOTHER ARCTIC COLD FRONT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE AREA. THIS FRONT WILL USHER IN ONE OF THE COLDEST AIR MASSES SINCE FEBRUARY 2-3 1996. BY MONDAY MORNING...925 MB TEMPERATURES FALL TO AROUND -34C IN BOTH THE GFS AND THE ECMWF...AND THE 850 MB TEMPERATURES ARE AROUND -28C IN THE GFS AND -30C IN THE ECMWF. THE 850 MB TEMPERATURES ARE 3.5 STANDARD DEVIATIONS BELOW NORMAL. WITH THE SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE BEING OFF TO OUR SOUTHWEST...THE SYNOPTIC SITUATION RESEMBLES JANUARY 18 1994. MOST OF THE FORECAST AREA SAW HIGH TEMPERATURES RANGING FROM -10 TO -21F ON THIS DAY. AS A RESULT...FEEL GOOD WITH THE FORECAST HIGH TEMPERATURES OF -14F TO -18F. THE FORECAST ON THIS DAY WAS A BLEND OF THE GFS AND ECMWF GRIDS. LOW TEMPERATURES ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY NIGHT CONTINUE TO BE TRICKY. ON SUNDAY NIGHT...SKIES WILL LIKELY REMAIN MOSTLY CLOUDY AND THIS WOULD NORMALLY KEEP TEMPERATURES UP SOME. HOWEVER...THIS IS ALSO THE SAME TIME IN WHICH THE COLD AIR ADVECTION IS THE STRONGEST. AS A RESULT WENT WITH LOW TEMPERATURES RANGING FROM -20 TO -26. ON MONDAY NIGHT...WARM AIR ADVECTION WILL START TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE AREA. HOWEVER MODEL SOUNDINGS STILL SHOW AN INVERSION BELOW 950 MB...SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE COOL QUITE A BIT UNDER THE MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES. THROUGHOUT THE SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING TIME PERIOD...WIND SPEEDS WILL REMAIN IN THE 10 TO 20 MPH RANGE. AGAIN SIMILAR TO JANUARY 18 1994. THE COMBINATION OF THESE WINDS AND THE FRIGID TEMPERATURES WILL PRODUCE WIND CHILL VALUES OF -40 TO -50F. WIND CHILLS THIS LOW CAN FREEZE EXPOSED SKIN IN LESS THAN 10 MINUTES. AS A RESULT...STILL EXPECT THAT A WIND CHILL WARNING WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE FORECAST AREA. I think that some media people might be migrating north to see what may happen in the Embarrass MN for this event. Some mets are calling for low air temps of 40-50° below zero in Northern MN, Embarrass sits in a valley, How low could it go? I have copied what is to follow from the Minnesota Forecaster Site...http://www.minnesotaforecaster.com/ This is what DDwx had to say, he was until recently with the Weather Channel. (TWC) "Its not a "Day After Tomorrow" scenario where the stratosphere was suddenly brought down to the earth's surface as that would be quite the problem, but definitely a significant Arctic air mass invasion that will rival the temperatures of the record cold outbreak in February of 1996. Recall that the state record of -60°F was set that day in Tower with nearby Embarrass at -57°F until the thermometer system broke, but others in the small town that mimicked the official one did hit -64°F. Will will achieve those kind of values in northern Minnesota -- it will be close but too many complicating factors to resolve before now and then -- -clouds, surface ridge orientation, Mother Natures mood, etc. In the metro area temperature forecasts of -25 to -30°F are typical across all the outlets. This air mass does have the potential given what is taking place northward in Canada." See the Minnesota Forecaster page for his full post. BTW, I'm known as randyinchamplin on that page and I posted a explanation of the 1000-500mb thickness lines, if I made mistakes please point those out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokomoWX Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 -1 was the NWS forecast at OKK. It is now -8 at OKK and my home Davis weather station is -15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 -1 was the NWS forecast at OKK. It is now -8 at OKK and my home Davis weather station is -15. -2 was the call here by the NWS and it is down to -10 while a few miles to the east in Marshall it has been down to -16..brrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrackertf Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Down to -1°F here in the city of Detroit, which while not extremely remarkable, is actually the 3rd coldest temperature I've ever recorded on my PWS since I put it into use in fall 2004. The urban heat island typically saves us from the sub-zero days even on the chilliest of nights, but a fresh deep snowcover and clear skies are making for extremely favorable conditions to radiate any marginal latent heat.We could be on to something big here in the next week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokomoWX Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Canadian has a much different picture 36 hours ago than the NWS forecast. Look who was much closer. Note the Canadian has had much colder/extreme temps than everyone else. (Now -16 here too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Probably gonna be some airports in SEMI that reached the negative double digits this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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