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Winter 2013-14 Pattern Discussion II


buckeyefan1

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I was told today to keep eye on thurs night into fri better zr set up

 

since this will be a very cold air mass i we might at least have a chance.  disappearing off the model runs for a while isnt all that unusual lol.  good set up and VERY cold airmass this time.  gps mentioned it in their afd as something to watch.  one thing not at issue then should be ground and surface temps.  everygthing should be frozen pretty solid i would think

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since this will be a very cold air mass i we might at least have a chance. disappearing off the model runs for a while isnt all that unusual lol. good set up and VERY cold airmass this time. gps mentioned it in their afd as something to watch. one thing not at issue then should be ground and surface temps. everygthing should be frozen pretty solid i would think

Not a major storm but advisory could happen. Changing to all rain friday he said. Then brief warm up

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Not a major storm but advisory could happen. Changing to all rain friday he said. Then brief warm up

When does it not usually warm up to all rain in the se :rolleyes: An ice storm with one of these juicy inch plus amounts would suck - probably no power for a week lol. Not to mention all the yard work it would cause :lmao:

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When does it not usually warm up to all rain in the se :rolleyes: An ice storm with one of these juicy inch plus amounts would suck - probably no power for a week lol. Not to mention all the yard work it would cause :lmao:

But you'll be warm:)  If you believe the long range, which I don't.  This is the zrain window we get every year, and I wouldn't get complacent :)  The ground will be cold, the sun will be in the sky, cad galore since the pattern change in March, juicy gulf...I was just watching the rain respond out of the gulf on radar.  Zrain loves cold, cold cad.  Especially for those in the catbird seat :)  Enjoy your inch or two... it's coming down the line somewhere...been a long time.... like the last time the temps were in the 10s down here.  The winter has already proven very anomalous, and compared to the last few years, it looks scary :)  You never know when timing and serendipidy will reach up and slap you upside the head!  Tony

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Euro ensembles have been showing various looks at an east based nao and the 18z gefs h5 mean is showing it pretty prominently. There are also signs of potential for the pna ridge to connect to the epo ridge.

18z gefs mean is close to a more classic +pna/-ao/-nao (east based though). Up in my area we need similar setups to get frozen as folks south of the ma but the se needs it a bit more amplified.

Imo- there is slow growing consensus towards a more amplified pattern in the east with some hints towards real blocking. Hopefully the trends continue. I'm slowly getting a little bullish for late next week. Fingers crossed that the rug doesn't get pulled or it ends up being a transient repeat of the December pattern.

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Well the next week looks pretty bad in regard to our winter weather chances.  Tonight and tomorrow look very, very cold, so....yay for us I guess.  No, it'll be interesting to see the temp drop so much today through the day. 

 

However I'm hoping the GEFS has the right idea in the LR.  It looks very "blocky" to me after day 10, along with a +PNA, central/eastern trough, and a split flow to boot.  Really hoping it's catching on to a change in the pattern. 

 

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Well the next week looks pretty bad in regard to our winter weather chances.  Tonight and tomorrow look very, very cold, so....yay for us I guess.  No, it'll be interesting to see the temp drop so much today through the day. 

 

However I'm hoping the GEFS has the right idea in the LR.  It looks very "blocky" to me after day 10, along with a +PNA, central/eastern trough, and a split flow to boot.  Really hoping it's catching on to a change in the pattern.

 

The OP GFS starting at around 240 through the end of the run looks very interesting. The PNA spike, if real, is something that we haven't seen to the degree modeled so far this year. If that comes to fruition, then we'll have a better shot at some interesting weather...especially if we can get any kind of blocking going. I'm encouraged that the modeling has been consistent with this idea for several cycles now and that, at least from what I've read, the Euro Ens have stepped toward the GFS Ens in this regard.

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The OP GFS starting at around 240 through the end of the run looks very interesting. The PNA spike, if real, is something that we haven't seen to the degree modeled so far this year. If that comes to fruition, then we'll have a better shot at some interesting weather...especially if we can get any kind of blocking going. I'm encouraged that the modeling has been consistent with this idea for several cycles now and that, at least from what I've read, the Euro Ens have stepped toward the GFS Ens in this regard.

 

Yes, the PNA going positive has been there for a while, although I'm not so sure that's going to do us much good without blocking to keep the storm track south of us.  It'll probably amp up a few great storms but I'm not sure I trust a good PNA by itself.  I'm more hoping on the bit of -NAO that showing up.  Maybe a really +++/tall PNA ridge may do the trick, but I haven't seen that yet.  We'll see.

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Yes, the PNA going positive has been there for a while, although I'm not so sure that's going to do us much good without blocking to keep the storm track south of us. It'll probably amp up a few great storms but I'm not sure I trust a good PNA by itself. I'm more hoping on the bit of -NAO that showing up. Maybe a really +++/tall PNA ridge may do the trick, but I haven't seen that yet. We'll see.

Yeah, it's positive now, but a tall ridge, located a bit more to the east would help. We've seen a lot of neutral and negative looks so far. Now, we're starting to see evidence of a more sustained positive look, which is well, a positive. :) If we can get some blocking and a little bit of a southern stream going, I like our chances.

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12z GFS long range has the first fantasy storm I have seen on there since early December...another arctic blast comes into the US Day 10, tall PNA ridge and southern energy that splashes into the Gulf by 288...the timing is perfect from Upstate SC and north...

 

Yep I'll take more of that look please.  :popcorn:

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