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Any word on possible ratios (verbatim of course)? I know what we need for good snow growth and temp profiles but am still learning to read soundings correctly. I know maps are pretty bad and they usually go off 10-1 ratios but I have a feeling they will be higher than that. I am not qualified to give an accurate guess.

I feel as if this isn't a weenie question as we are not more than 5 days out.

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He's one of the best. Definitely.

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Any word on possible ratios (verbatim of course)? I know what we need for good snow growth and temp profiles but am still learning to read soundings correctly. I know maps are pretty bad and they usually go off 10-1 ratios but I have a feeling they will be higher than that. I am not qualified to give an accurate guess.

I feel as if this isn't a weenie question as we are not more than 5 days out.

 

I think the ratios could be a lot higher than 10:1 so even the Euro's snow amounts on its current run could be underdone for some. I could see 15:1 ratios if temps dive into the teens. 

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You dont know that at all.

High ratio snow and 1 to 1.5 inches of liquid will produce a lot of snow. Whether it actually happens or not is a whole different story. A juicy Miller A should produce a lot of precipitation. Again, not saying it will actually happen. This could all go away by tomorrow afternoon's runs.

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Interesting to see the Euro depiction.  It also does seem to develop initially as a Miller hybrid you might say, but the overall look for us is of the Miller A variety with that Gulf origin/track.

 

If there's one thing I stick with in these types of setups and that history has taught me is that you shouldn't get too excited at this point, but you also shouldn't pencil in or away any QPF if confidence in a track increases, especially in situations with potential overrunning followed by moisture laden lows coming from down south with Gulf influence.  

 

But the signs/signals are tantalizing.  The H5 setup is really amazing to watch in it's evolution (and also the differences in the models and how they handle).

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High ratio snow and 1 to 1.5 inches of liquid will produce a lot of snow. Whether it actually happens or not is a whole different story. A juicy Miller A should produce a lot of precipitation. Again, not saying it will actually happen. This could all go away by tomorrow afternoon's runs.

Thats what i was trying to say..

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You have gotten a lot better this year but u had many occasions where you posted banter in the past. Lets the mods take care of it.

The mods are just as frustrated as I am and have given up to an extent.

 

Nobody has time to sit here and delete posts constantly.

 

Instead we should be policing ourselves. Think about every single post instead of just spouting whatever garbage pops into your head next.

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The mods are just as frustrated as I am and have given up to an extent.

Nobody has time to sit here and delete posts constantly.

Instead we should be policing ourselves. Think about every single post instead of just spouting whatever garbage pops into your head next.

I really hope u aren't talking about me. Nevertheless, lets continue the convo on the upcoming storm. I was asking about possible ratios and admitting that even though I understand what's good for snow growth and temp profiles that I am not good at reading soundings yet. What's your opinion on ratios for this storm?

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Can people stop talking about the posts that should be deleted and focus on the storm?

 

The ECMWF has a classic H5 evolution w/ the northern vort swinging through the proverbial slot off the VA capes. Really digs southward this run, picking up gulf moisture, so the final product is hybrid miller b/a. The key to getting this solution is the western PNA amplification and the confluence holding over SE Canada via the 50-50 vortex and Greenland block. The upstream and downstream synoptic features are pretty classic for a significant to major storm intensification on the east coast.

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Can people stop talking about the posts that should be deleted and focus on the storm?

 

The ECMWF has a classic H5 evolution w/ the northern vort swinging through the proverbial slot off the VA capes. Really digs southward this run, picking up gulf moisture, so the final product is hybrid miller b/a. The key to getting this solution is the western PNA amplification and the confluence holding over SE Canada via the 50-50 vortex and Greenland block. The upstream and downstream synoptic features are pretty classic for a significant to major storm intensification on the east coast.

the most significant part of the 12z cycle was having the gfs join the bigger storm party
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