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January Pattern Discussion


NorthArlington101

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18z run? hmmm lol don't usually put a lot of stock in the 18z

No but it's one of quite a few possible solutions and is more in line with the euro ens mean than the euro.  Right now I wouldn't make a distinction about precip type or how heavy but would say I think it likely we see some precipitation.

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No but it's one of quite a few possible solutions and is more in line with the euro ens mean than the euro.  Right now I wouldn't make a distinction about precip type or how heavy but would say I think it likely we see some precipitation.

well  6 days out that's  not too bad, at least were going in right direction

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Yeah, it's a long lasting flurry/light snow a thon

It's better than that, it gives us .25 .  Not a heavy event but probably would give us a 1-3 inch snow.  the 500 vort is pretty good. Course,  the next run will be different so it's probably not that important but is definitely a nicer looking run than the 12z.

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I'm encouraged all around.   I like the events that slowly build and get better as we get close as opposed to our usual fails...

But that is how our usual fails start. A suspenseful build to the possibility of 3-6 inches! Oh joy! WWW and WWA across the metro area? But wait, this is when the fun starts. Either

 

A : Oh noes! The cold air has not formed! Dreary mix for DC area.

B : Double oh noes! The DC Snowhole formed, and everyone surrounding DC gets forecasted amount, but we get a mix all day long.

 

Usually both happen at once.

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But that is how our usual fails start. A suspenseful build to the possibility of 3-6 inches! Oh joy! WWW and WWA across the metro area? But wait, this is when the fun starts. Either

 

A : Oh noes! The cold air has not formed! Dreary mix for DC area.

B : Double oh noes! The DC Snowhole formed, and everyone surrounding DC gets forecasted amount, but we get a mix all day long.

 

Usually both happen at once.

No. There is something different about this one but I can't put my finger on it. It will trend better from here.

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So any analogs showing up?  Just using my head, the main one that comes up is January 2005.

IF the Euro version is correct, maybe "close" for NYC on NE but not for us

we were much colder and had no problem getting 3-5", with a few flashes of lightning and/or rumbles of thunder before the dry slot screwgied us

I'm not sold on the Euro because the GFS has been doing better in the 5 day range than Euro....look at tomorrow's rain storm; I don't recall Euro locking in on coming up the coast like it is now until a few days ago but GFS did (maybe my memory is off however, but I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong)

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IF the Euro version is correct, maybe "close" for NYC on NE but not for us

we were much colder and had no problem getting 3-5", with a few flashes of lightning and/or rumbles of thunder before the dry slot screwgied us

I'm not sold on the Euro because the GFS has been doing better in the 5 day range than Euro....look at tomorrow's rain storm; I don't recall Euro locking in on coming up the coast like it is now until a few days ago but GFS did (maybe my memory is off however, but I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong)

Mitch, at 120 hrs to 12z tomorrow the closest any gfs ens member had rain was in Wilmington NC. I posted a screen shot of them earlier in this thread.

I expect we still have virtually anything possible for the upcoming week. I would think that within 96 hours we will have a decent notion.

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I am much more of a casual interested person. HPC cut and pastes are fine with me, and helpful. Another take on what's happening, not gospel, but of interest. I don't have time to live and work several websites, I look to this one to give me many opinions on what's ahead.

I can't take the ALL CAPS. Makes my eyes burn, and I honestly don't read those things unless someone highlights a certain piece of them.

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I agree.  Each thread tells a story.  Having all the info on a period of time consolidated into a thread can be quite useful even national NWS forecast outlooks.  That cut and paste sure beats the hell outta "The GFS looks great" or "Looks like the Euro caved".  At least there is some substance to the cut and paste.

 

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Fast and crappy on the GFS.   Precip producing frontal zone never sags far enough south.  Not taping much moisture either.

 

Edit: Not one drop through 120. Low over the 40/70 benchmark.

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/Image.php?fhr=117ℑ=data%2Fgfs%2F00%2Fgfs_namer_117_precip_p24.gif&model=gfs&area=namer&param=precip_p24&group=Model+Guidance&imageSize=M

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