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January Forecast Discussion


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What we need is for the pattern to break on the west coast.

No storms at all near SCA that could form a nice southern storm.

Pattern is awful.

Honestly the worst long range storm pattern in years for snow storms.

 

Really? I guess that makes years like 2001-2002, 2007-2008, and 2011-2012 great snow patterns 

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Really? I guess that makes years like 2001-2002, 2007-2008, and 2011-2012 great snow patterns 

 

Relax. Your emotions are getting in front of your  search for snow.

Yes, this is the GFS long range, but most modesl are not showing really much of anything the until the end of the month.

I am looking forward to the cold. We may wake up Tuesday morning and have an event looking at us square in the eyes.

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man, looks like no precip in Cali either through day 10.

Could be an epic fire season out west

 

Record dry year and Sierra snowpack only 15% of normal.

 

Ugliest visible satellite image  that you are ever going to see there. I really hope they can catch

a break at some point between Feb-Mar before what is supposed  to be the rainy season

winds down.

 

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Record dry year and Sierra snowpack only 15% of normal.

 

Ugliest visible satellite image  that you are ever going to see there. I really hope they can catch

a break at some point between Feb-Mar before what is supposed  to be the rainy season

winds down.

 

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wow that's scary. I have read a lot of articles about upcoming water shortages but with all the water we waste just by flushing the toilet, its something that is hard to wrap your head around.

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That's sad to look at out west. You can see all the dead vegetation and the significantly less snow pack. 

 

Cold weather in the eastern half of the nation generally leads to a ridge with mild & dry conditions out west...it happens.

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Cold weather in the eastern half of the nation generally leads to a ridge with mild & dry conditions out west...it happens.

The funny thing is they have been wetter than it historically it should have been over the last century or so in the southwest. That entire area was never meant to support the amount of people that live there. A good example of that is LV, it is a city built by pumped in water.

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Cold weather in the eastern half of the nation generally leads to a ridge with mild & dry conditions out west...it happens.

 

Yup. Temps have been running generally below normal here in the east since what? August?

We've all been watching the pattern and the persistent ridge out west. Nobody here should be surprised about the drought in Cali.

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wow that's scary. I have read a lot of articles about upcoming water shortages but with all the water we waste just by flushing the toilet, its something that is hard to wrap your head around.

 

Hopefully, the record breaking block weakens before what is usually the  rainy season winds down the 

next few months.

 

 

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It was about 2.5 F colder at NWS Upton for calendar year 2013 than for 2012 as the cooling continues.

Its interesting how it coincided with the really weak solar cycle... I remember in the mid 2000s when this cycle was supposed to be the strongest yet. Instead we have the weakest in over 100 years.

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Its interesting how it coincided with the really weak solar cycle... I remember in the mid 2000s when this cycle was supposed to be the strongest yet. Instead we have the weakest in over 100 years.

 

Obviously no one can say for certain what the distant future holds weather wise...as I always caution those who "guarantee" a warmer future world...my own opinion is, based on the theory that solar influence is the veritable sine qua non of our weather...in conjunction with the recent weak solar cycles...strongly argues for a cooling world in the coming years.

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Hopefully, the record breaking block weakens before what is usually the  rainy season winds down the 

next few months.

 

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Yea Blue, they need it. It could be a horrible situation if they don't. What is scary is how fast conditions are deteriorating there. If they don't make up some of the difference in the next 2 months the rest of the year could be a disaster.

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Very serious. Nothing on the horizon.

We need some storms to crash in California.

yea, we may be able to get a 1-2 inch event in the short range, but looking at the models, we may need to do a snow dance.

 

Yeah. A +PNA isn't good if you don't have any blocking. A -PNA is better because the pieces of energy from the PV can be sent southward through the Midwest. As long as the PNA isn't too (-), it's fine. 

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It was about 2.5 F colder at NWS Upton for calendar year 2013 than for 2012 as the cooling continues.

Pretty small region overall, however in the end it was a cool year for the conus and a little warmer globally than 2012.

 

Temperatures have been varying between 0.6c and 0.8c above baseline for many years, will be interesting to see if we break the trend this year.

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Obviously no one can say for certain what the distant future holds weather wise...as I always caution those who "guarantee" a warmer future world...my own opinion is, based on the theory that solar influence is the veritable sine qua non of our weather...in conjunction with the recent weak solar cycles...strongly argues for a cooling world in the coming years.

Yea I agree. I laugh when people don't have an open mind. People need to read more history.

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Didn't see anyone mention the 18z, hr372 and doesn't really look to warm to me

I wrote it before the 18z gfs shows the trough relaxing day 11 thru 14 it heads back day 15. That ridge gets reestablished and it's sends the flow SE. To b fair its been manic in its d 10 thru 15 during its last 4 runs so I expect it to look different at 0z

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I wrote it before the 18z gfs shows the trough relaxing day 11 thru 14 it heads back day 15. That ridge gets reestablished and it's sends the flow SE. To b fair its been manic in its d 10 thru 15 during its last 4 runs so I expect it to look different at 0z

 

oops, but agreed.....and probably 0z mon also

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Not necessarily...10-11 and 08-09 both had Aleutian ridge patterns that resulted favorably for the area.

10-11 was my best winter in my lifetime. I live in southeast ma. I had 2-3 feet on the ground for an epic stretch from late December to February.

This year has more cold as well, I thin everyone gets in on it. I think you want to relax the cold some, get storms in here.

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I wrote it before the 18z gfs shows the trough relaxing day 11 thru 14 it heads back day 15. That ridge gets reestablished and it's sends the flow SE. To b fair its been manic in its d 10 thru 15 during its last 4 runs so I expect it to look different at 0z

 

 

The GFS has a tendency to go through stretches where it wants to break persistent patterns down beyond Day 10, remember last winter and in 11-12 it kept trying to go cold at times and it never happened...I do think we will eventually snap this long wave pattern in the next 8 weeks or so but just do not know when, it may not be til nearly the end of March, the -EPO pattern is extremely hard to bust as evidenced in the springs of 94 and 03...we stayed in them relatively long and by far this winter is probably the most persistent -EPO we've seen the last 20 years along with 93-94 and 02-03.

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