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Glad I was born in 96 and had to experience great storms all the 00's, Blizzard of 2006 made me fall in love with weather I stayed up all night for that

 

Anyway, without looking at models (volatile by the way) we know we have a -EPO for the whole winter, thats not going away, wildcard is the NAO, If the PV drops south it automatically raises heights in Greenland, but will it hold? And was the NAO like during 1993-1994? (need some help from veterans lol)

nao was positive is 93-94. we wont see those temps again. and MOST of those storms were taint ridden - a ton of the 53" of "snow" was actually sleet....most, except the two in early feb changed to rain/sleet (and the second one did changeover even here to sleet)....that winter was a once in a lifetime experience. You guys should be thinking something from 1980-1992 and forget 82-83 and 86-87.

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the way I see it is the PV will over power the weak +anomolies in greenland and we turn +nao fairly quickly...rinse, wash, repeat. This winter will teach most here a huge lesson...be careful what you wish (cold air) for....welcome to winters 1980-1991 ( i respect the SNE forum very much but their 93-94 is off base)

Considering KNYC is above every single December winter of the 80's in snow totals right now...wash, rinse, repeat sounds good.

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Considering KNYC is above every single December winter of the 80's in snow totals right now...wash, rinse, repeat sounds good.

and 8 of those winters will be as cold or colder than Dec 2013 in KNYC...snow was a lucky circumstance this year

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nao was positive is 93-94. we wont see those temps again. and MOST of those storms were taint ridden....most, except the two in early feb changed to rain (and the second one did changeover even here to sleet)....that winter was a once in a lifetime experience. You guys should be thinking something from 1980-1992 and forget 82-83 and 86-87.

Which one of those 80's winters had a -EPO, positive NAO dominant pattern? 1993-94 and 2008-09 looks like the top analogs IMO, regardless we have the whole winter ahead of us and we should average above normal in the snow territory

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and 8 of those winters will be as cold or colder than Dec 2013 in KNYC...snow was a lucky circumstance this year

Lucky ? You live on the coastal plain in the mid latitudes just about all snow here involves luck

77 78 , 93 94 , 95 96 , 09 10 All had warm periods. And cold and dry periods

Think pp romanticize that 1 those winters r the norm and 2 they crushed it from start to finish

They all had crud periods.

Sorry back on topic. Jan disco

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This December had wild swings, what other Dec had 70+ temps, above average in both snow and temp for the month

 

I wouldn't read too much into a couple of anomalously warm days in any month of the year...

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From December 1970 through December 1999...the mean December snowfall at Central Park was about 2 inches...we talk about the rather good streak of luck the area has been on the last 13 years or so...to average just 2 inches of snow for a winter month for thirty years at that location...despite all the things that generally work against snow in NYC...well, that to me is just amazingly bad luck

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From December 1970 through December 1999...the mean December snowfall at Central Park was about 2 inches...we talk about the rather good streak of luck the area has been on the last 13 years or so...to average just 2 inches of snow for a winter month for thirty years at that location...despite all the things that generally work against snow in NYC...well, that to me is just amazingly bad luck

One rather creative writer on NE.weather newsgroup colorfully wrote that there "is an invisible roof over NYC that prevents it from snowing there".

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From December 1970 through December 1999...the mean December snowfall at Central Park was about 2 inches...we talk about the rather good streak of luck the area has been on the last 13 years or so...to average just 2 inches of snow for a winter month for thirty years at that location...despite all the things that generally work against snow in NYC...well, that to me is just amazingly bad luck

William think historically jan is typically our coldest month and feb is our snowiest month

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William think historically jan is typically our coldest month and feb is our snowiest month

 

Yes of course...and to get 7 or 8 inches of snow in December around here is pretty decent all things considered...the point I was making is that for CPK to get just 60 inches of December snow over the course of 30 years took some pretty bad luck...when the December average prior to 1970 was about 6 inches for the previous 100 years...

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William think historically jan is typically our coldest month and feb is our snowiest month

 

January has a way of not being all that snowy in the immediate NYC area...its notable for a lot of one to four inch events but big snowstorms are not too common overall.

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January has a way of not being all that snowy in the immediate NYC area...its notable for a lot of one to four inch events but big snowstorms are not too common overall.

 

In the last 35 years I can only think of 4 January's that had major snowstorms in NYC...January 2011, January 2005, January 2004, & January 1996.

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and 8 of those winters will be as cold or colder than Dec 2013 in KNYC...snow was a lucky circumstance this year

Seven accumulating events here (totaling 9.3")

 

It's hard to call something lucky instead of normal for a particular pattern when it occurs seven times in such a short period.

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Seven accumulating events here (totaling 9.3")

 

It's hard to call something lucky instead of normal for a particular pattern when it occurs seven times in such a short period.

 But FR, you are located in what I have plausibly argued is the snow capital of the NYC / Long Island area...:)

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 But FR, you are located in what I have plausibly argued is the snow capital of the NYC / Long Island area... :)

 

Though being the snowiest spot on Long Island is akin to being the warmest town in Siberia...lol.

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In the last 35 years I can only think of 4 January's that had major snowstorms in NYC...January 2011, January 2005, January 2004, & January 1996.

 

The image of that January 2000 snow event appears to be fading...no one talks about it anymore...I personally can't remember anything about it...though there may be other factors beyond its pure burgeoning obscurity that cloud my recollection...down in the District of Columbia though...it is a warmly cherished memory and frequently cited when there is numerical model consensus against the occurrence of a particular snow event.

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 But FR, you are located in what I have plausibly argued is the snow capital of the NYC / Long Island area... :)

William, a couple of events ago I had a change to rain here quicker than in SW Nassau and Brooklyn.

 

 

:underthewx:

Anyway I think the pattern seems to be giving numerous nickel and dime events(or should I say penny and nickel) for all of us immediately around NYC. Next possible event up will be jan 3/4.

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William, a couple of events ago I had a change to rain here quicker than in SW Nassau and Brooklyn.

 

 

:underthewx:

Anyway I think the pattern seems to be giving numerous nickel and dime events(or should I say penny and nickel) for all of us immediately around NYC. Next possible event up will be jan 3/4.

 

Must have been a fluke...northern Syosset is *very* snowy...in a relative sense.

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90 hr threat should not be disregarded.

 

Even that GFS event after day 5 looks like more than 0.25 L.E....and with good ratios that would mean a quick 4 inches as it intensifies while moving away.

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Overall, I'd say that the chances of the NYC / Long Island area seeing at least 4 inches of snow during this December are fairly good. 

 

Overall, I'd say that the chances of the NYC / Long Island area seeing at least 10 inches of snow during this coming January are fairly good. 

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Need a jan 2 -3 threat thread. Euro has a very 2009 Mid Atlantic type Gradient look to it .

DC Philly into SNJ type. The GFS hints at ths too in its 0z run But it's further N its best snows are around NYC but keeps NE dry.

I will amend in its 500 MB look and evolution , not in its total QPF as of now

But need a thread

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Numerical modeling tends to overdue confluence & these things always trend north over time...the chances of big snows over coastal VA & MD at the start of January is practically nil.

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