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It's probably too soon to fork the storm, but without any blocking, I'd say it's unlikely this thing comes as far south as I would like (perhaps you Pittsburgh folks will still fair okay).  As expected we lose the cold as soon as the southern jet gets cranking.  If nothing else, perhaps a miss sets us up for a better situation days later.

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This is the map

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Fwiw. At this point I think we have a better chance at a severe ice storm than a severe snow storm. This is not looking good for our area, trends are not our friend.

Well at these leads I think we are still going to see swings in the range 200 miles or more one way or another from one run to another so with that in mind that particular map isn't that bad. GFS seems to still be the furthest NW with the storm. Today's 12z GFS verbatim was probably at least .5 zr.

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As much as I love snow I would rather see spring. These storms that cut west and give us precip issues or too far east for little qpf are getting old. Neither storm looks like it will be the big one for us.

Too soon to throw in the towel on winter. Over the last several years Feb has had our best storms it seems, and realistically we aren't going to get pleasant warm weather so we might as well have snow. Three storms on the map for next week, odds favor we get something from one of them. Still hoping we can make a run for a 50+ season again this year.

 

There is still a pretty big spread of solutions for the mid week storm between the OP runs and ensembles so things are far from resolved.

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Too soon to throw in the towel on winter. Over the last several years Feb has had our best storms it seems, and realistically we aren't going to get pleasant warm weather so we might as well have snow. Three storms on the map for next week, odds favor we get something from one of them. Still hoping we can make a run for a 50+ season again this year.

 

There is still a pretty big spread of solutions for the mid week storm between the OP runs and ensembles so things are far from resolved.

 

Way too early. Even if we miss out on all three storms next week we still have 3 weeks left in what is typically our snowiest month. March also averages close to 8 inches. I'd say anything below 50 inches for the season would be a let down at this point. I say we end up closer to 60 for the season. Still feel very confident that we see a 6+ storm before it's over. 

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Can anyone send me a link to where to check the snowfall to date for kpit? I used to go to wunderground but it seems to jump around and is currently saying we've only received 21 inches for the year. 

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=pbz

 

The daily climate report provides total snowfall for KPIT to date.

But there's alot of other great stuff on that page.

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http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=pbz

 

The daily climate report provides total snowfall for KPIT to date.

But there's alot of other great stuff on that page.

He needs to go to NOWData, then select Pittsburgh then snowfall for the variable.

 

42.3" for the season. Wow.

 

BTW they also have season to date normals here: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/pbz/climate/PIT_STD_Snow.pdf

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Looks like another shortwave possibly developing on early Monday that may need watched. The 18z

NAM, I know, I know, is showing it...EURO has it a little more south as does the GFS.

00z NAM run ends but, just extrapolating it looks like its going to be well SE of us. Looks pretty close to the Euro in terms ot track I think. Hope we don't miss that one to the South then have mid week go NW. Maybe I should send my tires back and get some RainX lol

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Mid week threat looks better on 00z GFS. Still not a snow event but a much better track.

Unfortunately, the 06z is right back to where it was and even the potential storm after that one cuts way west of us. A lot of time left on that one of course, so we'll see. Hopefully this stormy period coming up doesn't end up giving us lots of slop and rain. The lack of blocking could hurts us.
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From Central Pa discussion...

FROM THERE A MORE IMPORTANT CYCLONE IS MADE TO APPROACH FOR

WED...AND THERE IS BETTER AGREEMENT ON TIMING BETWEEN THE ECMWF

AND GFS/GEFS. THE ECMWF HAS ITS LOW TRACKING INTO WESTERN

PA...BEFORE REDEVELOPING QUICKLY OFF THE MID ATL COAST. THE

GFS/GEFS ARE BOTH FURTHER SOUTHEAST...WITH THE GEFS BEING THE MOST

EAST AND THUS THE COLDEST SET OF SOLUTIONS. AT THIS POINT A WINTRY

MIX IS INDICATED BETWEEN THE VARIOUS MODEL OUTCOMES AS WARM AIR

FLOODS IN ALOFT...BUT WITH SO MUCH SNOW COVER AND COLD AIR OVER

THE GR LAKES AND NE...WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE EVENTUAL STORM

TRACK WANDERS CLOSER TO THE COAST OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MODEL

RUNS.

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Unfortunately, the 06z is right back to where it was and even the potential storm after that one cuts way west of us. A lot of time left on that one of course, so we'll see. Hopefully this stormy period coming up doesn't end up giving us lots of slop and rain. The lack of blocking could hurts us.

Yeah I'm starting to see how those CFS forecasts of below normal temps and above average precip for Feb could wind up disappointing. Warm cutters followed by cold after the storm passes. Not saying this will happen, but certainly something possible. Lots of time, without blocking we need some luck.

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00z NAM run ends but, just extrapolating it looks like its going to be well SE of us. Looks pretty close to the Euro in terms ot track I think. Hope we don't miss that one to the South then have mid week go NW. Maybe I should send my tires back and get some RainX lol

Looks like the overnight EURO came way north.

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From Central Pa discussion...

FROM THERE A MORE IMPORTANT CYCLONE IS MADE TO APPROACH FOR

WED...AND THERE IS BETTER AGREEMENT ON TIMING BETWEEN THE ECMWF

AND GFS/GEFS. THE ECMWF HAS ITS LOW TRACKING INTO WESTERN

PA...BEFORE REDEVELOPING QUICKLY OFF THE MID ATL COAST. THE

GFS/GEFS ARE BOTH FURTHER SOUTHEAST...WITH THE GEFS BEING THE MOST

EAST AND THUS THE COLDEST SET OF SOLUTIONS. AT THIS POINT A WINTRY

MIX IS INDICATED BETWEEN THE VARIOUS MODEL OUTCOMES AS WARM AIR

FLOODS IN ALOFT...BUT WITH SO MUCH SNOW COVER AND COLD AIR OVER

THE GR LAKES AND NE...WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE EVENTUAL STORM

TRACK WANDERS CLOSER TO THE COAST OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MODEL

RUNS.

PITT NWS doesn't seem to imply much threat for wintry weather as of now.

 

.LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY/...

MIDWEEK SYSTEM STILL COMING INTO FOCUS...ALTHOUGH TIMING REMAINS

AN ISSUE. OP MODELS CONTINUE TO TREND TO A WARMER SOLUTION AS THE

TRACK EVERY SO SLOWLY DRIFTS WESTWARD. STILL MUCH TO WORK OUT FOR

THE END OF THE LONG TERM.

 

It makes sense though, Central PA will CAD while we warm tongue. All we can hope for is something similar to last nights 00z GFS that tracks a bit further SE.

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Well I looked at the models and its not looking good. The PNA- and NAO+ is gonna make it really difficult to get a decent storm. Doesn't mean we can't a decent storm just more difficult. Almost reminds me of Nov 13 where the storms cut west and there was some extreme severe outbreaks. Time will tell, but its only feb and still 2 months to go. Odds are we see more snow eventually.

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PITT NWS doesn't seem to imply much threat for wintry weather as of now.

 

.LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY/...

MIDWEEK SYSTEM STILL COMING INTO FOCUS...ALTHOUGH TIMING REMAINS

AN ISSUE. OP MODELS CONTINUE TO TREND TO A WARMER SOLUTION AS THE

TRACK EVERY SO SLOWLY DRIFTS WESTWARD. STILL MUCH TO WORK OUT FOR

THE END OF THE LONG TERM.

 

It makes sense though, Central PA will CAD while we warm tongue. All we can hope for is something similar to last nights 00z GFS that tracks a bit further SE.

Good Lord Pgh. NWS is so conservative they are ridiculous, Always have been & always will be

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Well I looked at the models and its not looking good. The PNA- and NAO+ is gonna make it really difficult to get a decent storm. Doesn't mean we can't a decent storm just more difficult. Almost reminds me of Nov 13 where the storms cut west and there was some extreme severe outbreaks. Time will tell, but its only feb and still 2 months to go. Odds are we see more snow eventually.

quit Listening to HM he is TERRIBLE with Winter Storms MUCH MUCH Better with Sever weather 

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