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December 14-15 Winter Storm Part Two


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Through 27 hours it doesn't look bad...850 line is still just south of the city and places just west of the city are still below freezing at the surface, and 0.25-0.5'' of QPF has fallen at that point so still a few inches of snow (unless there are other levels above freezing), but then after that the surface temps torch and almost everyone goes to rain.  Oh well, it's just one extreme solution but I'll wait until the GFS before becoming too alarmed.

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NCEP noted issues with the 12z run.  Will be interesting to see how they view this one.

 

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
216 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

VALID DEC 13/1200 UTC THRU DEC 17/0000 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR
INGEST...

==============================================
12Z MODEL EVALUATION AND PREFERENCES
==============================================
NAM/GFS INITIALIZATION ERRORS DO NOT APPEAR TO
SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THEIR LARGE SCALE OUTPUT.
==============================================

...STORM AFFECTING THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN U.S...

PREFERENCE: BLEND OF 12Z GFS/ECMWF
CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE

MODELS CONTINUE IN LARGE SCALE AGREEMENT. THERE ARE NO
OUTLIERS...AND THE 12Z NAM COULD CERTAINLY BE APPLIED. THE NAM
ESCAPED OUR PREFERENCE BECAUSE OF SOME DIFFERENCES AT A CRITICAL
TIME...15/12Z WHEN THE COASTAL PORTION OF THIS STORM IS
INTENSIFYING SOUTH OF BOSTON MA. THE SURFACE LOW IN THE NAM IS
JUST SLIGHTLY DEEPER THAN THE MULTI MODEL AND ENSEMBLE
CONSENSUS...AND THIS MAY BE CONTRIBUTING TO MORE STRONGLY BACKED
SURFACE WINDS AND COLDER THERMAL PROFILES IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE
LOW TRACK. THIS IDEA IS CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE AND SHOULD NOT BE
IGNORED...BUT FOR OUR PREFERENCE WE SIDE WITH THE EXCELLENT
AGREEMENT AND CONTINUITY SEEN IN THE LARGER SCALE GUIDANCE. THE
UKMET IS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT HAS TENDED TO TAKE THE SURFACE
LOW SLIGHTLY NORTH OF CONSENSUS WITH WARMER THERMAL PROFILES OVER
SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THE 12Z CANADIAN DOES SUPPORT THE
UKMET...WHERE IT HAD SUPPORTED THE LARGER CONSENSUS DURING
PREVIOUS CYCLES. THE MAJORITY OF ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE IS STILL STEADY
IN DEPICTING A LOW TRACK SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THE 12Z UKMET AND
CANADIAN SOLUTIONS.
 

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NCEP noted issues with the 12z run.  Will be interesting to see how they view this one.

 

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

216 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

VALID DEC 13/1200 UTC THRU DEC 17/0000 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR

INGEST...

==============================================

12Z MODEL EVALUATION AND PREFERENCES

==============================================

NAM/GFS INITIALIZATION ERRORS DO NOT APPEAR TO

SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THEIR LARGE SCALE OUTPUT.

==============================================

...STORM AFFECTING THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN U.S...

PREFERENCE: BLEND OF 12Z GFS/ECMWF

CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE

MODELS CONTINUE IN LARGE SCALE AGREEMENT. THERE ARE NO

OUTLIERS...AND THE 12Z NAM COULD CERTAINLY BE APPLIED. THE NAM

ESCAPED OUR PREFERENCE BECAUSE OF SOME DIFFERENCES AT A CRITICAL

TIME...15/12Z WHEN THE COASTAL PORTION OF THIS STORM IS

INTENSIFYING SOUTH OF BOSTON MA. THE SURFACE LOW IN THE NAM IS

JUST SLIGHTLY DEEPER THAN THE MULTI MODEL AND ENSEMBLE

CONSENSUS...AND THIS MAY BE CONTRIBUTING TO MORE STRONGLY BACKED

SURFACE WINDS AND COLDER THERMAL PROFILES IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE

LOW TRACK. THIS IDEA IS CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE AND SHOULD NOT BE

IGNORED...BUT FOR OUR PREFERENCE WE SIDE WITH THE EXCELLENT

AGREEMENT AND CONTINUITY SEEN IN THE LARGER SCALE GUIDANCE. THE

UKMET IS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT HAS TENDED TO TAKE THE SURFACE

LOW SLIGHTLY NORTH OF CONSENSUS WITH WARMER THERMAL PROFILES OVER

SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THE 12Z CANADIAN DOES SUPPORT THE

UKMET...WHERE IT HAD SUPPORTED THE LARGER CONSENSUS DURING

PREVIOUS CYCLES. THE MAJORITY OF ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE IS STILL STEADY

IN DEPICTING A LOW TRACK SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THE 12Z UKMET AND

CANADIAN SOLUTIONS.

 

 

Hoping they can just run the 0 Z NAM again in around 30 minutes for a new solution.

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Its the nam so take it at that....however all the models underestimated the warmth over the weekend so its not out of the question.

 

IMO nothing really has changed, its still raining for most coastal people from 03-04Z onward but the NAM just generates no QPF til 22Z so everyone is running fro the cliff but if you ask me it could still snow like crazy from 22-02Z and it may be snowing from 16-17Z onward

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Nam is still a few inches for NYC before the rain

so we went from 6"+ to "still a few inches"...and its the NAM so cut whatever you think it says by 3

 

The NAM basically says, the coast gets NADA

 

Will the poster (dbc I think it was) from yesterday evening please say the NAM is correct NOW or does he feel that since its warm and shows a less snowy scenario  it is incorrect now..

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