I-83 BLIZZARD Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Gfs nam combo should bring watches down to the state line. Euro will be telling but good trends for all of us so far at 12 z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jims Videos Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Gfs was a good run, the 850 temps at hour 54 go above freeZing in central eastern pa after the main precip is gone. Maybe some freezing drizzle on the end. Don't see surface temps getting eroded as quickly as upper air. Everyone gets a moderate hit out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Gfs nam combo should bring watches down to the state line. Euro will be telling but good trends for all of us so far at 12 z. I never saw such model consensus the past several runs for a long time. if something fails now, then we should probably go back to the old days of forecasting without computers. :-) and this is the 0z runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 It looks like drizzle at the very end but you get .58 of what looks like snow. Â It's not going to end up as a rainstorm. That was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The high is in great shape though. I now see you guys' point about it warming after precip moves out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlislePaWx Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Here's the 0Z Nam Text output showing the different layers of the atmosphere. You can see that at Harrisburg (Capital City) it is showing 0.68" of what should be snow with all layers below 0 until the final six hours where 900 and 850 just barely poke above freezing. This output is a tad more technical and is full of useful detailed meteorological stuff that to this lay person doesn't mean a ton. But, I have learned how to read the precip and the temps which is really helpful. Take note that the surface temperature is indicated near the top of the output where is says 2M. Here is the direct link for this data for the NAM. It is also available for the GFS. I will have to check on the URL format for that model. All you have to do is change the 3-letter Station Identifier in the URL (KCXY for Capital City) for whatever airport you wish. It works for a lot more sites than some of the others that limit you to major locations like MDT and UNV only.  http://68.226.77.253/text/NAM80km/NAM_KCXY.txt  There is a problem displaying the full URL properly. Click on the link and the full correct URL will appear in the browser's URL area. Use that URL exactly as it appears, but change the KCXY to anything like KMDT, KRDG, KLNS, KHGR, etc.    Station ID: KCXY Lat:  40.21 Long: -76.85                                                       NAM Model Run: 0Z DEC 13, 2013                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forecast Hours:   0hr   6hr  12hr  18hr  24hr  30hr  36hr  42hr  48hr  54hr  60hr  66hr  72hr  78hr  84hr  Sfc Prs(mb):   1013.4 1009.2 1010.3 1010.3 1012.5 1013.4 1014.7 1011.8 1006.0 997.3 995.3 995.2 998.3 1001.2 1005.3  Mean SLP (mb): 1027.2 1023.1 1024.2 1024.0 1026.1 1027.0 1028.4 1025.5 1019.7 1010.8 1008.8 1008.6 1011.6 1014.9 1019.1  2m agl Tmp (F):  17.5  14.8  14.3  27.7  24.5  23.5  25.2  28.9  25.3  23.6  23.7  30.9  26.7  20.0  15.9  2m agl Dewpt(F):  5.1   8.5   9.6  21.1  21.1  22.2  24.3  28.1  24.4  22.1  22.1  26.5  23.7  16.2  11.7  2m agl RH (%):     58    76    81    76    87    95    96    97    96    94    94    84    88    85    83  10m agl Dir:      246   251   264   262   227    40    78   109    79    43   358   276   274   277   279  10m agl Spd(kt):    4     8     9    10     4     2     5     9    13    11     6     7    11    11    11  6hr Precip (in): 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.10  0.27  0.32  0.07  0.01  0.00  0.00  0.00  AccumPrecip(in): 0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.10  0.37  0.68  0.75  0.76  0.76  0.76  0.76  Sfc CAPE (J/kg):  0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.1   0.0   0.0   0.0  Sfc CINH (J/kg): -0.7   0.0  -0.5  -1.0  -0.3   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0  -0.9  -0.3  -0.6   0.0   0.0  0-3km Hel(J/kg): 314.8 256.0 183.6 104.3 144.4 187.8 295.1 367.5 561.6 824.8 330.4  43.4  55.4 147.9 105.8  Precip H20 (in): 0.16  0.20  0.29  0.34  0.39  0.35  0.46  0.54  0.63  0.60  0.48  0.32  0.23  0.16  0.25  Lifted Index©: 21.8  19.9  18.3  20.1  20.4  17.9  19.8  18.1  11.5   7.2   9.1  12.3  18.0  22.1  20.9  700mb VV(-ub/s):  0.2   0.2   1.6  -0.7  -0.2   1.0   4.2   2.5   7.2  -0.9  -0.4  -0.4   0.5  -1.9  -1.5  Thk1000-500mb(m)5193.9 5266.9 5292.6 5318.8 5346.3 5352.6 5328.9 5334.5 5388.0 5415.7 5383.9 5361.0 5340.9 5291.0 5266.2  Thk1000-850mb(m)1250.0 1253.1 1259.8 1269.9 1276.5 1279.6 1279.3 1280.6 1284.7 1291.4 1282.3 1284.8 1276.9 1257.9 1253.1  Thk850-700mb(m):1461.7 1488.4 1497.8 1500.6 1507.4 1514.8 1504.3 1513.1 1533.1 1545.6 1538.3 1525.9 1511.5 1490.8 1487.3  SWEAT Index:    161.4 177.7 171.1 160.1 124.4  98.6 143.3 231.9 263.5 253.9  86.6 121.8 135.0 134.3 120.5  Total Totals Idx 14.5  19.8  19.9  17.9  18.8  23.2  21.5  24.3  35.1  40.5  40.0  32.7  22.8  17.3  20.5  Frz Hgt(ft amsl)  348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348  0WetBlbHgt(amsl) -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000  4952 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000 -1000  Equil Prs (mb):  1013  1009  1010  1010  1012  1013  1015  1012  1006   997   995   995   998  1001  1005  Equil Hgt(amsl):  348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348   348  Hail Size(in):   0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  Conv Wind Gust:  16.1  17.6  16.9  15.2  13.2  11.0  10.6  11.3  12.1  51.9   9.9  10.9  13.6  15.4  14.6  Showalter Index: 23.4  22.0  20.3  22.2  22.1  19.6  20.9  19.9  13.1   8.8  10.3  14.6  20.5  23.6  22.0  Cap Strength©:-999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9 -999.9  Storm Dir (deg):  324   319   318   315   315   297   279   254   239   249   285   302   303   312   319  Storm Spd (kts):   38    41    39    36    31    25    24    27    29    24    23    25    32    35    33  2m HeatIndex(F):   18    15    14    28    25    24    25    29    25    24    24    31    27    20    16  2m WindChill(F):   11     3     2    18    19    24    18    20    13    12    16    24    16     7     2                                                                                                                             1000mb GPH (m):    209   177   185   188   203   210   222   200   154    85    69    68    92   116   147                                                                                                                             950mb GPH (m):    609   575   582   592   610   617   627   607   559   489   472   476   500   517   545  950mb Temp ©:  -8.5  -8.5  -9.3  -6.4  -3.6  -3.2  -3.7  -3.5  -5.1  -5.9  -6.1  -3.3  -3.0  -6.8  -9.2  950mb Dewpt©: -18.9 -16.8 -15.9  -9.7  -7.6  -7.8  -7.5  -3.7  -5.6  -6.3  -6.6  -4.4  -5.3  -9.8 -12.4  950mb RH (%):      43    51    59    78    74    71    75    99    96    97    97    92    84    80    77  950mb Dir:        264   267   278   272   266   303   132   134    94    64    31   283   285   289   296  950mb Speed(kt):   21    28    29    17    18     6    11    24    30    25    10    11    26    28    27                                                                                                                             900mb GPH (m):   1025   992  1000  1013  1034  1043  1054  1034   986   917   897   903   925   936   962  900mb Temp ©: -12.1 -10.8  -8.2  -7.4  -6.5  -5.4  -4.9  -4.8  -2.6   0.1  -3.2  -4.6  -6.6 -10.3 -10.0  900mb Dewpt©: -21.3 -19.1 -15.8 -13.5 -10.7 -10.2  -9.4  -5.3  -2.7   0.1  -3.2  -6.2  -7.6 -12.2 -13.8  900mb RH (%):      47    51    55    62    72    69    71    97    99   100   100    89    93    86    74  900mb Dir:        266   281   296   292   280   275   201   160   133   109   165   301   292   298   319  900mb Speed(kt):   29    41    41    29    24    15    10    28    35    39    10    29    34    36    32                                                                                                                             850mb GPH (m):   1459  1430  1445  1458  1480  1490  1501  1481  1439  1376  1351  1353  1369  1373  1400  850mb Temp ©: -13.8 -10.8  -7.4  -7.2  -7.2  -6.1  -6.7  -7.1  -3.0   0.3  -2.3  -3.7  -8.7 -13.1 -12.9  850mb Dewpt©: -23.0 -15.9 -17.5 -14.0 -12.0 -11.6 -10.6  -7.8  -3.3   0.3  -2.4  -6.8 -12.6 -17.6 -17.4  850mb RH (%):      47    67    44    59    68    65    74    95    98   100    99    79    73    69    69  850mb Dir:        283   293   295   293   290   263   238   179   158   143   261   303   299   311   321  850mb Speed(kt):   39    49    48    37    26    20    17    22    28    25    20    36    37    37    30                                                                                                                             800mb GPH (m):   1919  1897  1916  1930  1952  1965  1974  1954  1918  1862  1832  1832  1839  1836  1861  800mb Temp ©: -15.0 -10.0  -8.9  -8.1  -7.4  -5.7  -8.0  -6.2  -3.5  -0.8  -3.1  -3.9  -7.4 -12.5 -13.1  800mb Dewpt©: -17.5 -22.9 -13.5 -11.7 -13.5 -12.2 -10.4  -6.7  -3.9  -0.8  -4.5  -8.7 -17.0 -23.4 -24.8  800mb RH (%):      82    35    69    75    62    60    83    96    97    99    90    69    47    40    37  800mb Dir:        290   292   290   288   288   261   252   230   191   183   272   295   283   303   309  800mb Speed(kt):   47    51    53    46    33    27    23    23    20    21    25    30    38    39    35                                                                                                                             750mb GPH (m):   2405  2392  2413  2429  2454  2468  2474  2458  2429  2376  2343  2340  2342  2330  2355  750mb Temp ©: -16.7 -12.2 -10.5 -10.4  -8.6  -7.7  -9.3  -7.2  -3.8  -2.4  -2.7  -5.4  -6.6  -9.6 -10.3  750mb Dewpt©: -18.5 -19.2 -14.0 -15.6 -10.9 -13.5 -10.8  -8.0  -4.2  -3.1  -6.1 -12.7 -32.7 -34.3 -28.4  750mb RH (%):      86    57    76    66    83    63    89    94    97    95    77    57    11    12    22  750mb Dir:        293   293   290   284   293   262   243   244   216   213   263   284   275   288   300  750mb Speed(kt):   49    56    54    47    36    32    33    31    29    24    30    30    42    50    48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 don't shoot the sender, please. :-) Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Seems like nearly all runs give me at least 6" of wxbell snow. Not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAForecaster Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Definitely looks like around 6" for State College to me, looking forward to waking up Saturday morning to some nice new snow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Position of that H85 low unnerves me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlislePaWx Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Definitely looks like around 6" for State College to me, looking forward to waking up Saturday morning to some nice new snow! Â According to the latest NAM it looks like precip doesn't start until closer to noontime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlislePaWx Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm currently down to 14.4 degrees F with a dewpoint of 2.8 degrees F. I don't have any snow cover near my instrumentation, so not getting any help from snow. Winds are nearly calm. Looks to make it below 10 by morning if winds don't pick back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jims Videos Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cbs21 going majorly conservative with nothing in the lsv and 1-3 elsewhere according to the post on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAForecaster Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 According to the latest NAM it looks like precip doesn't start until closer to noontime. Exactly. Hell week has destroyed me, can't wait for finals to be over next week so I can go back home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Some are over thinking this! At most this is a 6" dump...worst case scenario we get 2 or 3. Not a bad storm, not a big one!! I think we will all take a nice 3 to 6 inch snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cbs21 going majorly conservative with nothing in the lsv and 1-3 elsewhere according to the post on Facebook. worthless. Just look at the model consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Not sure who this is but was on facebook: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jims Videos Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is the CBS21 call posted on their Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is the CBS21 call posted on their Facebook. awful...embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is the CBS21 call posted on their Facebook. Basically calling the entire of state of PA 1-3" LOL. even if we didn't verify 4 plus inches here points north will be hammered. Just embarrassment for news media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hey hey, for all we know they could wind up correct...1-3 was basically what happened last Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hey hey, for all we know they could wind up correct...1-3 was basically what happened last Friday. totally different storm....sorry. model consensus for several runs. I am standing ground on this one I don't normally post much I read but this has my interest. WHP 21 is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 totally different storm....sorry. model consensus for several runs. I am standing ground on this one I don't normally post much I read but this has my interest. WHP 21 is a joke. Â I commented on that image and said 4-8" book it and they blocked me from the page. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I commented on that image and said 4-8" book it and they blocked me from the page. lol lol your right....even 0z EURO confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is the CBS21 call posted on their Facebook. Â lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 0z EURO looks good for most of us, including far northern MD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I feel those watches will come south as well. NAM now falls in line. CTP relies on SREFS, not sure why.  Boom.  PAZ033>036-059-063>066-131830- /O.EXA.KCTP.WS.A.0010.131214T1000Z-131215T0600Z/ SOMERSET-BEDFORD-FULTON-FRANKLIN-LEBANON-CUMBERLAND-ADAMS-YORK- LANCASTER- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SOMERSET...BEDFORD...MCCONNELLSBURG... CHAMBERSBURG...LEBANON...CARLISLE...GETTYSBURG...YORK...LANCASTER 316 AM EST FRI DEC 13 2013 ...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT. * LOCATIONS...ALL OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA. * HAZARD TYPES...MAINLY SNOW. SOME FREEZING RAIN POSSIBLE. * ACCUMULATIONS...6 TO 8 INCHES OF SNOW. A GLAZE OF ICE ALSO POSSIBLE. * TIMING...SNOW WILL DEVELOP SATURDAY MORNING. THE SNOW WILL BE HEAVIEST DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. SOME SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN MAY MIX IN SATURDAY EVENING AND NIGHT. THE SNOW WILL TAPER OFF FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST ON SATURDAY NIGHT. * IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL ON SNOW COVERED AND SLIPPERY ROADS. * WINDS...LIGHT FRIDAY NIGHT...BECOMING EAST AT 5 TO 10 MPH. GUSTS 15 TO 25 MPH SATURDAY NIGHT. * TEMPERATURES...RANGING FROM THE LOWER 20S TO LOWER 30S. * VISIBILITIES...BELOW A HALF OF A MILE AT TIMES...MAINLY DURING SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. FOR THE LATEST WEATHER INFORMATION...GO TO WEATHER.GOV/CTP OR STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO. && $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Boom. Â PAZ033>036-059-063>066-131830- /O.EXA.KCTP.WS.A.0010.131214T1000Z-131215T0600Z/ SOMERSET-BEDFORD-FULTON-FRANKLIN-LEBANON-CUMBERLAND-ADAMS-YORK- LANCASTER- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SOMERSET...BEDFORD...MCCONNELLSBURG... CHAMBERSBURG...LEBANON...CARLISLE...GETTYSBURG...YORK...LANCASTER 316 AM EST FRI DEC 13 2013 ...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT. * LOCATIONS...ALL OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA. * HAZARD TYPES...MAINLY SNOW. SOME FREEZING RAIN POSSIBLE. * ACCUMULATIONS...6 TO 8 INCHES OF SNOW. A GLAZE OF ICE ALSO POSSIBLE. * TIMING...SNOW WILL DEVELOP SATURDAY MORNING. THE SNOW WILL BE HEAVIEST DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. SOME SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN MAY MIX IN SATURDAY EVENING AND NIGHT. THE SNOW WILL TAPER OFF FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST ON SATURDAY NIGHT. * IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL ON SNOW COVERED AND SLIPPERY ROADS. * WINDS...LIGHT FRIDAY NIGHT...BECOMING EAST AT 5 TO 10 MPH. GUSTS 15 TO 25 MPH SATURDAY NIGHT. * TEMPERATURES...RANGING FROM THE LOWER 20S TO LOWER 30S. * VISIBILITIES...BELOW A HALF OF A MILE AT TIMES...MAINLY DURING SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. FOR THE LATEST WEATHER INFORMATION...GO TO WEATHER.GOV/CTP OR STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO. && $ Â yes! Â good call Mr. B. Though I think 6-8" is a bit overdone, I would've gone with 4-7" but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The new 03Z SREFs took a pretty big swing at getting the very high probs for significant snow (4+ probs) further south to involve pretty much everyone above  the turnpike. CTP has also expanded the watch area to involve the entire CWA.  Threw together a first call map.. wasn't too hard to make for the first two ranges. The vast majority of PA should see at least a 3-6 inch snowfall from this. I tend to think that for the most part the top end on amounts will be about 8 inches, but highlighted a region where some scattered amounts of 9 or 10 inches might show up. Keeping the region within my 6" boundary a bit more narrow than what CTP has for their new snow map. Ultimate track of the low might dictate where precip becomes more broken and where the solid precip shield lingers the longest. Further north might expose southern PA to this while north central sees the heaviest snowfall. Further south could focus heaviest in say, south central PA into the Lower Sus Valley. Tried to keep my map in the middle, folks that end up with the best QPF matched up with the best snow ratios are gonna be who sees 6+. Will have to watch model runs today to make any adjustments. The only regions I really expect mixing to knock things down much is far SW PA and far SE PA, the rest of the area should remain all snow or at least stay all snow for the part of the storm that's going to do the damage. This should be a nice snow event for everyone.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F5TornadoF5 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The new 03Z SREFs took a pretty big swing at getting the very high probs for significant snow (4+ probs) further south to involve pretty much everyone above  the turnpike. CTP has also expanded the watch area to involve the entire CWA.  Threw together a first call map.. wasn't too hard to make for the first two ranges. The vast majority of PA should see at least a 3-6 inch snowfall from this. I tend to think that for the most part the top end on amounts will be about 8 inches, but highlighted a region where some scattered amounts of 9 or 10 inches might show up. Keeping the region within my 6" boundary a bit more narrow than what CTP has for their new snow map. Ultimate track of the low might dictate where precip becomes more broken and where the solid precip shield lingers the longest. Further north might expose southern PA to this while north central sees the heaviest snowfall. Further south could focus heaviest in say, south central PA into the Lower Sus Valley. Tried to keep my map in the middle, folks that end up with the best QPF matched up with the best snow ratios are gonna be who sees 6+. Will have to watch model runs today to make any adjustments. The only regions I really expect mixing to knock things down much is far SW PA and far SE PA, the rest of the area should remain all snow or at least stay all snow for the part of the storm that's going to do the damage. This should be a nice snow event for everyone.  Slide1.png Perfect forecast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Just got the alert for a watch for Parkton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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