NorthShoreWx Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yes you add it... regardless of any new ridiculous instructions. That is incorrect. Many argue that the standards over the past 15 years were ridiculous. Why potentially report a few inches of snowfall if there was never an inch on the ground? Personally, I disagree with the new handling of certain special cases (for example, phase changes between sleet and snow), but I want my measurements to be consistent with the current standard. Unfortunately, if you want your measurements to be taken seriously by others, you need to follow the measurement guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Lol getting sleet now, ping ping.. And or grapuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I still think a couple of more inches is possible in areas where snow is regenerating. The stuff over central NJ is headed toward Long Island and looks moderate to heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordr Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Nothing here in Bridgeport near the shore. Looks like less than an inch of total accumulation - wonder if we're done over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsterCountySnowZ Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Looks to be a nice band heading over the Catskills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 That is incorrect. Many argue that the standards over the past 15 years were ridiculous. Why potentially report a few inches of snowfall if there was never an inch on the ground? Personally, I disagree with the new handling of certain special cases (for example, phase changes between sleet and snow), but I want my measurements to be consistent with the current standard. Unfortunately, if you want your measurements to be taken seriously by others, you need to follow the measurement guidelines. Yeah I agree with certain aspects of the new guidelines but like you said , phase changes etc or several inches to start a storm followed by rain then several inches to end the storm ... you dont count that second accumulation? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Mod snow again. Might end up close to 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCG RS Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yeah I agree with certain aspects of the new guidelines but like you said , phase changes etc or several inches to start a storm followed by rain then several inches to end the storm ... you dont count that second accumulation? Makes no sense.In that situation, I believe, there should be two different totals; storm total accumulation, and then ground accumulation (or whatever word you would want to use) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Heaviest snow of the day so far..Flakes seem to be fluffier as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERSEYSNOWROB Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Damn plow just went by. Me and my younger son booed him. Hahaha Snow picking up here in Morganville, NJ again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Still snowing nicely here in Southern Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Light snow falling once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monmouthcounty11 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Snow has really picked up, similar to what we saw earlier this morning in Lincroft. We will probably end up in the 4 inch range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 The back edge just cleared the Williamsport area, and if you extrapolate it looks like most areas have 3-4 hours to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yeah I agree with certain aspects of the new guidelines but like you said , phase changes etc or several inches to start a storm followed by rain then several inches to end the storm ... you dont count that second accumulation? Makes no sense. I think it makes some sense, but I also understand your point. The scenario I don't like, admittedly a rare one, is where several inches of snow gets beaten down by a substantial accumulation of sleet and is then followed by several more inches of snow. Reporting max depth in my mind is misleading in that situation as all of that precipitation is still on the ground, as opposed to the situation where morning snow is washed away by rain, then replaced by more snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Snowing nicely here again...maybe add a little to the 3.2 in. measured an hour ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshack Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Still in a lull in Port Jefferson, just flurries over the past hour and snow on the ground slowly melting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 In that situation, I believe, there should be two different totals; storm total accumulation, and then ground accumulation (or whatever word you would want to use) The guidelines I referenced are for reporting total "snowfall" to the NWS. There are some exceptions for airport climo locations for reasons that I presume are related to aviation, but not climatology, but I don't like the apples to oranges aspect of that. There are other measurements such as total snowdepth (i.e., from all snowfalls), SWE, etc. that are of interest to different folks, such as hydrologists, but for coops and the public, the standard covers what should be reported as "snowfall". My interest is that a consistent standard be followed rather than a hodgepodge that makes it difficult to interpret for climatological purposes. Unfortunately, that problem is somewhat built in because of changing standards over the years (and a lack of standards at times). Back to observations, the snow had stopped here for a while and the temperature actually fell a degree while it wasn't snowing (the opposite of what I expected). Currently at 33 and snow is resuming within the past couple of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 We're back to a very fine light snowfall. Looks like the speed of the storm has picked up some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Still steady here though on the light side. Not sticking to the road or sidewalk anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 The guidelines I referenced are for reporting total "snowfall" to the NWS. There are some exceptions for airport climo locations for reasons that I presume are related to aviation, but not climatology, but I don't like the apples to oranges aspect of that. There are other measurements such as total snowdepth (i.e., from all snowfalls), SWE, etc. that are of interest to different folks, such as hydrologists, but for coops and the public, the standard covers what should be reported as "snowfall". My interest is that a consistent standard be followed rather than a hodgepodge that makes it difficult to interpret for climatological purposes. Unfortunately, that problem is somewhat built in because of changing standards over the years (and a lack of standards at times). Back to observations, the snow had stopped here for a while and the temperature actually fell a degree while it wasn't snowing (the opposite of what I expected). Currently at 33 and snow is resuming within the past couple of minutes. The sky actually looked darker here during the lull than while light snow was falling an hour ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swataz Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Light snow starting again in the Smithtown area. I am pretty sure the 4-6 that the NWS posted on their Storm Total Snowfall maps will be an el busto out here. On edit, I refreshed that page and my area is now in the 2-4 inch range! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 That banding about to cross into NW NJ from the Poconos looks intense. It's causing subsidence out ahead of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Light snow starting again in the Smithtown area. I am pretty sure the 4-6 that the NWS posted on their Storm Total Snowfall maps will be an el busto out here. On edit, I refreshed that page and my area is now in the 2-4 inch range! they upped totals just in time to be wrong....too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 That banding about to cross into NW NJ from the Poconos looks intense. It's causing subsidence out ahead of it. 30F Moderate snow falling... 0.5" on the ground.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRain Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 No. That would be inflating your total. Report the maximum depth as snowfall total. I don't make the rules, but we should all follow the same rules: http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/41853-new-nws-snow-measurement-guide/ First I've seen this. I guess this will mean less recorded snow for all of us. Al Gore will be relieved I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Over by 2PM in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Just light snow now.. doubt if I see any additional accumulation here so current measurement of 3.4 in. may do it... very nice for dec 10th. Enjoy everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Heaviest snow of the day so far..Flakes seem to be fluffier as well.. Hey Mohawk, what's your total so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I see a 2.2" in Manalapan, does that confirm for Freehold as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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