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December 13-14th Winter Storm


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Hoosier, I tried to get some momentum going a few years ago to break Cook county up into 2 zones but it didn't go anywhere. Many situations where it would be nice if it was. WFO NYC has broken up many of their counties into 2 zones.Sent from my SCH-I535

 

As has PHI.  I believe they have 4 counties split into two zones each.

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Hoosier, I tried to get some momentum going a few years ago to break Cook county up into 2 zones but it didn't go anywhere. Many situations where it would be nice if it was. WFO NYC has broken up many of their counties into 2 zones.Sent from my SCH-I535

 

As has PHI.  I believe they have 4 counties split into two zones each.

To solve the problem, we need to just go to polygon based warnings and advisories, which I believe is being tested or will be soon.

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This is one of those "borderline" warning events where lack of coordination between neighboring offices creates unnecessary confusion. All of the zones below have the same thresholds for warning issuance.

 

CLE is going with advisories:

 

LORAIN-CUYAHOGA-LAKE-GEAUGA-ASHTABULA INLAND-MEDINA-SUMMIT-
PORTAGE-TRUMBULL-WAYNE-STARK-MAHONING-HOLMES-ASHTABULA LAKESHORE-
NORTHERN ERIE-SOUTHERN ERIE-CRAWFORD PA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...LORAIN...CLEVELAND...MENTOR...CHARDON...
JEFFERSON...MEDINA...AKRON...RAVENNA...WARREN...WOOSTER...
CANTON...YOUNGSTOWN...MILLERSBURG...ASHTABULA...ERIE...EDINBORO...
MEADVILLE
345 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT
TONIGHT TO 10 PM EST SATURDAY...

* ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 7 INCHES.

 

ILN going with warning for neighboring counties with exact same forecast amounts

 

HARDIN-MERCER-AUGLAIZE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...KENTON...CELINA...WAPAKONETA
421 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 9 PM THIS EVENING
TO 7 PM EST SATURDAY...

* HAZARD TYPES...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW WILL ACCUMULATE 5 TO 7 INCHES.

 

NOBLE-DE KALB-STARKE-PULASKI-MARSHALL-FULTON IN-KOSCIUSKO-WHITLEY-

ALLEN IN-WHITE-CASS IN-MIAMI-WABASH-HUNTINGTON-WELLS-ADAMS-GRANT-
BLACKFORD-JAY-WILLIAMS-FULTON OH-DEFIANCE-HENRY-PAULDING-PUTNAM-
VAN WERT-ALLEN OH-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...KENDALLVILLE...LIGONIER...ALBION...
AUBURN...GARRETT...KNOX...NORTH JUDSON...BASS LAKE...WINAMAC...
FRANCESVILLE...MEDARYVILLE...PLYMOUTH...BREMEN...CULVER...
ROCHESTER...AKRON...WARSAW...WINONA LAKE...SYRACUSE...MENTONE...
COLUMBIA CITY...TRI-LAKES...SOUTH WHITLEY...FORT WAYNE...
NEW HAVEN...MONTICELLO...BROOKSTON...MONON...LOGANSPORT...
ROYAL CENTER...PERU...GRISSOM AFB...MEXICO...WABASH...
NORTH MANCHESTER...HUNTINGTON...ROANOKE...BLUFFTON...OSSIAN...
DECATUR...BERNE...MARION...GAS CITY...UPLAND...HARTFORD CITY...
MONTPELIER...PORTLAND...DUNKIRK...BRYAN...WAUSEON...ARCHBOLD...
FAYETTE...SWANTON...DEFIANCE...SHERWOOD...HICKSVILLE...NAPOLEON...
DESHLER...LIBERTY CENTER...PAULDING...ANTWERP...MELROSE...
OTTAWA...PANDORA...KALIDA...FORT JENNINGS...VAN WERT...DELPHOS...
OHIO CITY...LIMA...SPENCERVILLE
1138 AM EST FRI DEC 13 2013 /1038 AM CST FRI DEC 13 2013/

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM EST /6 PM CST/ THIS
EVENING TO 7 PM EST /6 PM CST/ SATURDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORTHERN INDIANA HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7
PM EST /6 PM CST/ THIS EVENING TO 7 PM EST /6 PM CST/ SATURDAY.
THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

HAZARDOUS WEATHER...

* SNOW WILL OVERSPREAD THE AREA FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST THIS
EVENING...BECOMING HEAVY AT TIMES OVERNIGHT THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY
AFTERNOON.

* TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED BY EARLY
SATURDAY

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Hoosier, I tried to get some momentum going a few years ago to break Cook county up into 2 zones but it didn't go anywhere. Many situations where it would be nice if it was. WFO NYC has broken up many of their counties into 2 zones.

Sent from my SCH-I535

 

 

Who has to approve a split?  Is it a local office thing or does it need the okay from higher up? 

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Hoosier, I tried to get some momentum going a few years ago to break Cook county up into 2 zones but it didn't go anywhere. Many situations where it would be nice if it was. WFO NYC has broken up many of their counties into 2 zones.

Sent from my SCH-I535

 

 

Who has to approve a split?  Is it a local office thing or does it need the okay from higher up? 

I'm pretty sure it would need to get approval from higher up and we'd need to coordinate with the affected counties.

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Hoosier, I tried to get some momentum going a few years ago to break Cook county up into 2 zones but it didn't go anywhere. Many situations where it would be nice if it was. WFO NYC has broken up many of their counties into 2 zones.

Sent from my SCH-I535

 

 

To solve the problem, we need to just go to polygon based warnings and advisories, which I believe is being tested or will be soon.

One of these needs to happen for so many reasons...The latter being the best.

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DVN has updated amounts

 

RGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL  
324 PM CST FRI DEC 13 2013  
   
..ACCUMULATING SNOW EXPECTED THROUGH TONIGHT
 
 
.A WINTER STORM WILL MOVE FROM MISSOURI INTO THE SOUTHERN GREAT  
LAKES TONIGHT INTO SATURDAY. THIS STORM WILL BRING ACCUMULATING  
SNOW TO AREAS SOUTH OF AN OTTUMWA IOWA TO PERU ILLINOIS LINE. THE  
HEAVIEST SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BE GENERALLY ALONG AND  
SOUTH OF A LINE FROM MEMPHIS MISSOURI TO PERU ILLINOIS. SNOWFALL  
AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 5 INCHES WILL BE COMMON.
A BRIEF PERIOD OF SLEET  
AND FREEZING RAIN IS EXPECTED BEFORE TURNING OVER TO ALL SNOW.  
 

RGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE  

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL  
545 PM CST FRI DEC 13 2013  
   
..ACCUMULATING SNOW EXPECTED THROUGH TONIGHT
 
 
.A WINTER STORM WILL MOVE FROM MISSOURI INTO THE SOUTHERN GREAT  
LAKES TONIGHT INTO SATURDAY. THIS STORM WILL BRING ACCUMULATING  
SNOW TO AREAS SOUTH OF AN OTTUMWA IOWA TO PERU ILLINOIS LINE. THE  
HEAVIEST SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BE GENERALLY ALONG  
AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM MEMPHIS MISSOURI TO PERU ILLINOIS.  
SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES WILL BE COMMON...WITH SOME  
LOCATIONS NEAR MACOMB SEEING UP TO 7 INCHES.
 

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