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December 14/15 winter storm threat


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Will what kind of duration does it look like?

 

 

Prob about 30-36 hours starting with mood snows on Saturday morning. The QPF fetish people still will not be happy with the Euro, but I like it more from a synoptic standpoint than the 12z run. The QPF amounts are still mainly high end advisory type snows.

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Prob about 30-36 hours starting with mood snows on Saturday morning. The QPF fetish people still will not be happy with the Euro, but I like it more from a synoptic standpoint than the 12z run. The QPF amounts are still mainly high end advisory type snows.

 

Is this a case of sacrificing lower QPF totals for higher snowfall ratios or no?  

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00Z MODEL GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED TOWARD THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN   STREAMS REMAINING SEPARATE/UNPHASED REGARDING THE POTENTIAL EAST   COAST CYCLOGENESIS THIS WEEKEND. THERE IS GOOD MODEL AGREEMENT THAT   THE SOUTHERN STREAM SHORT WAVE WILL BECOME QUITE SHEARED AS IT   ENTERS THE COLD CONFLUENT FLOW ACROSS THE NORTHEAST. THIS RESULTS IN   A WEAKER SURFACE WAVE WITH LESS QPF...BUT ALSO A COLDER SOLUTION AS   SURFACE WAVE TRACKS FARTHER OFFSHORE WITH WEAKER THERMAL ADVECTION   INTO SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THE GEFS MEAN TRACKS THE SURFACE LOW NEAR   NANTUCKET...WHILE THE 51 ENSEMBLE MEMBER OF THE ECENS TRACKS THE   SURFACE WAVE CLOSER TO THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK. THIS IS A SOUTHEAST   TREND FROM PREVIOUS RUNS. THE DETERMINISTIC 00Z GFS/ECMWF AND UKMET   ARE JUST ABOUT OVER THE BENCHMARK 12Z SUNDAY. THUS ALL MODEL   GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED WEAKER AND FARTHER OFFSHORE. THIS EVENT IS   STILL 2 DAYS AWAY SO NEW TRENDS ARE POSSIBLE. HOWEVER THINK ITS   PRUDENT TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAJOR SHIFT IN THE GUIDANCE AND TREND THE   FORECAST TOWARD LESS QPF AND SOMEWHAT COLDER.    AS FOR MODEL GUIDANCE...THE 00Z NAM WAS DISCARDED AS A NORTHERN   OUTLIER WITH ITS SURFACE LOW/CYCLONE TRACKING ALONG THE COASTAL   PLAIN OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. AS MENTIONED ABOVE THE CONSENSUS   TRACK /INCLUDING THE 51 MEMBER ECENS ENSEMBLE MEAN/ IS NOW CLOSER TO   THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK. THUS WILL BASE THIS FORECAST ON AN EVEN BLEND   OF 00Z GFS/ECMWF.     TIMING...AT THIS TIME RANGE PRECIP LOOKS TO ARRIVE SOMETIME SAT AFTN   WITH THE HEAVIEST PRECIP OCCURRING SAT NIGHT BEFORE TAPERING OFF SUN   MORNING.    QPF...WITH MODELS TRENDING TOWARD A MORE SHEARED LOW MODEL QPF   CONSENSUS (50/50 BLEND OF GFS/EC) IS LESS THAN PREVIOUS RUNS WITH   TOTAL QPF RANGING FROM 0.60 TO 0.80 INCHES.  

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SNOWFALL POTENTIAL...THIS EVENT IS STILL 2 DAYS AWAY AND THE COASTAL   STORM HASN/T FORMED YET. THUS OUR PRELIMINARY SNOWFALL FORECAST IS   FOR THE POTENTIAL OF UP TO 6 INCHES OF SNOWFALL FOR MUCH OF THE   REGION...WITH POSSIBLY LESS ALONG THE SOUTH COAST INCLUDING CAPE COD   AND THE ISLANDS AS MIXED PRECIP MAY ENTER THIS REGION. COLD AIRMASS   AT THE ONSET MAY YIELD GREATER THAN A 10/1 SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS.   THIS COMBINED WITH ANY MID LEVEL BANDING POTENTIAL INTRODUCES A LOW   RISK OF 6+ INCHES POSSIBLE. REGARDLESS OF EXACT SNOWFALL NUMBERS   THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT SNOW AND POSSIBLY MIXED PRECIP TO HAVE A   SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON TRAVEL WITH TREACHEROUS ROAD CONDITIONS LATE   SAT INTO EARLY SUNDAY. 
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6Z GEFS bring the low just about over the bm in good agreement with the op (Op actually a tick east of the ensemble mean) We're going to have some fun this weekend folks.

 

Ocean effect snows look to start in earnest sometime on Saturday morning.  COuld be some good early amounts with the amount of cold air in place.

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Prob about 30-36 hours starting with mood snows on Saturday morning. The QPF fetish people still will not be happy with the Euro, but I like it more from a synoptic standpoint than the 12z run. The QPF amounts are still mainly high end advisory type snows.

 

Yes--I am not enthused.

 

6z GFS is less wound up than the 00z run, but I would think higher QPF gets into SNE especially with convection on the southeast side of the surface low and with a surface low intensifying southeast of the benchmark.

 

Not enthused again.  Good for you though. 

 

At this point in time, I think we can begin to be dealing with much more nuanced adjustments which is one of my favoriate parts of this whole weather bidness.  I'm much more intrigued as we get closer to find where will coastal fronts set up; where does the heaviest qpf fall; etc.  Much more exciting to me than following the blockbuster storm that might exist in the 7 day range and be vaporized 12 hours later.  But I digress.....

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12z runs will be big, last chance to go amp'd?

I mean the flow is so fast maybe models dont get this to tonite even , Also depending on high pressure orientation, movement, etc (which may play just as an important role for e mass) Ptype

Either way better high pressure orientation on 0z runs and good trends for those who want mostly snow near boston .

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12z runs will be big, last chance to go amp'd?

I mean the flow is so fast maybe models dont get this to tonite even , Also depending on high pressure orientation, movement, etc (which may play just as an important role for e mass) Ptype

Either way better high pressure orientation on 0z runs and good trends for those who want mostly snow near boston .

Dude..it's not going to be an amped, blockbuster..It's a weekend long light-moderate snowfall with amounts likely in the 5-10 inch range with locally higher lolli's. It actually starts snowing later tomorrow it appears

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Dude..it's not going to be an amped, blockbuster..It's a weekend long light-moderate snowfall with amounts likely in the 5-10 inch range with locally higher lolli's. It actually starts snowing later tomorrow it appears

I think he was referring to whether it goes over ack or the bm...

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00Z MODEL GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED TOWARD THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN   STREAMS REMAINING SEPARATE/UNPHASED REGARDING THE POTENTIAL EAST   COAST CYCLOGENESIS THIS WEEKEND. THERE IS GOOD MODEL AGREEMENT THAT   THE SOUTHERN STREAM SHORT WAVE WILL BECOME QUITE SHEARED AS IT   ENTERS THE COLD CONFLUENT FLOW ACROSS THE NORTHEAST. THIS RESULTS IN   A WEAKER SURFACE WAVE WITH LESS QPF...BUT ALSO A COLDER SOLUTION AS   SURFACE WAVE TRACKS FARTHER OFFSHORE WITH WEAKER THERMAL ADVECTION   INTO SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THE GEFS MEAN TRACKS THE SURFACE LOW NEAR   NANTUCKET...WHILE THE 51 ENSEMBLE MEMBER OF THE ECENS TRACKS THE   SURFACE WAVE CLOSER TO THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK. THIS IS A SOUTHEAST   TREND FROM PREVIOUS RUNS. THE DETERMINISTIC 00Z GFS/ECMWF AND UKMET   ARE JUST ABOUT OVER THE BENCHMARK 12Z SUNDAY. THUS ALL MODEL   GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED WEAKER AND FARTHER OFFSHORE. THIS EVENT IS   STILL 2 DAYS AWAY SO NEW TRENDS ARE POSSIBLE. HOWEVER THINK ITS   PRUDENT TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAJOR SHIFT IN THE GUIDANCE AND TREND THE   FORECAST TOWARD LESS QPF AND SOMEWHAT COLDER.    AS FOR MODEL GUIDANCE...THE 00Z NAM WAS DISCARDED AS A NORTHERN   OUTLIER WITH ITS SURFACE LOW/CYCLONE TRACKING ALONG THE COASTAL   PLAIN OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND. AS MENTIONED ABOVE THE CONSENSUS   TRACK /INCLUDING THE 51 MEMBER ECENS ENSEMBLE MEAN/ IS NOW CLOSER TO   THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK. THUS WILL BASE THIS FORECAST ON AN EVEN BLEND   OF 00Z GFS/ECMWF.     TIMING...AT THIS TIME RANGE PRECIP LOOKS TO ARRIVE SOMETIME SAT AFTN   WITH THE HEAVIEST PRECIP OCCURRING SAT NIGHT BEFORE TAPERING OFF SUN   MORNING.    QPF...WITH MODELS TRENDING TOWARD A MORE SHEARED LOW MODEL QPF   CONSENSUS (50/50 BLEND OF GFS/EC) IS LESS THAN PREVIOUS RUNS WITH   TOTAL QPF RANGING FROM 0.60 TO 0.80 INCHES.  

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SNOWFALL POTENTIAL...THIS EVENT IS STILL 2 DAYS AWAY AND THE COASTAL   STORM HASN/T FORMED YET. THUS OUR PRELIMINARY SNOWFALL FORECAST IS   FOR THE POTENTIAL OF UP TO 6 INCHES OF SNOWFALL FOR MUCH OF THE   REGION...WITH POSSIBLY LESS ALONG THE SOUTH COAST INCLUDING CAPE COD   AND THE ISLANDS AS MIXED PRECIP MAY ENTER THIS REGION. COLD AIRMASS   AT THE ONSET MAY YIELD GREATER THAN A 10/1 SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS.   THIS COMBINED WITH ANY MID LEVEL BANDING POTENTIAL INTRODUCES A LOW   RISK OF 6+ INCHES POSSIBLE. REGARDLESS OF EXACT SNOWFALL NUMBERS   THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT SNOW AND POSSIBLY MIXED PRECIP TO HAVE A   SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON TRAVEL WITH TREACHEROUS ROAD CONDITIONS LATE   SAT INTO EARLY SUNDAY. 

True to form, BOX's is about 24 hrs behind model trends.

 

Welcome to yesterday.

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I'm surprised the Cape, especially east of HYA doesn't see more southwesterly flow OES events, i guess its because its normally a warmer wind, but during most winters we sometimes get airmasses that are completely cold from DCA to Portland, ME.  SO a Southwesterly wind is actually cold enough to produce the needed delta Ts needed for moisture.

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