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December 14/15 winter storm threat


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That seems reasonable considering your general/statewide audience.  I'm just not certain about the mix aspect.  It seems like it would be more frozen for most of the state and mix seems to imply rain.

Really? I feel wintry mix implies snow, sleet, freezing rain, and rain.

 

I doubt rain up along the Mass border but S & E of 84 it's certainly possible. This may remain all snow but with the 850/700mb lows well west to expect all frozen south of the Pike is ballsy. 

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I like the graphic. Maybe you can photoshop Kevin's head on there.

 

He could have a couple of bald domes off to the NE of the skyline...one for Kevin and one for me, lol.

 

I'm happy with 2-4 even. I gotta get my son out in it..lol.

 

My son is turning into a weenie like his Dad...he was out playing in the snow all day yesterday and kept complaining when I told him he had to come in.

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HaHa!  I've been waiting patiantly for us to get Close enough to the event so that we can see what the NAM says... 

 

And BAM!  Last Frame at 84 Hours has a Secondary Low!  With the 850 0C staying in the middle of CT/RI.  Probably still goes a bit north of that but the fact that it shows a Secondary is nice! 

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Really? I feel wintry mix implies snow, sleet, freezing rain, and rain.

 

I doubt rain up along the Mass border but S & E of 84 it's certainly possible. This may remain all snow but with the 850/700mb lows well west to expect all frozen south of the Pike is ballsy. 

 

Maybe you're right - I took a poll of non-weather folks here in my office and they thought a mix implied snow and sleet.  Me personally, I think of rain & snow when I hear mix.  Maybe I had too many bad winters in the 80s or that one class I took in broadcast met is clouding my mind, lol.

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When the word mix is tossed around on air..inevitably most thinks NBD and wet..Ask around

 

No... no one thinks that. People think... ugh a sloppy storm. So, as it stands right now the forecast is for light snow and then a wintry mix. That's pretty typical for storms in SNE. Maybe you're new here? 

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I guess I'm the only one who found the 12z Euro underwhelming. 

 

Nope...here I thought I was the only one. Seems very possible that by the time any significant precip makes it's way in a large portion of the state is torching in the mid-levels. Just look at the NAM. Sure it shows maybe 3-6" before taint...but if you apply the NAM QPF fudge factor it's more like 1-4". I'm on board for the cold and some light accumulations. Good for setting the holiday mood. But calls for 6-10" and debates about whether WWA or WSW are more appropriate seem a bit premature.

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Maybe you're right - I took a poll of non-weather folks here in my office and they thought a mix implied snow and sleet.  Me personally, I think of rain & snow when I hear mix.  Maybe I had too many bad winters in the 80s or that one class I took in broadcast met is clouding my mind, lol.

 

Yeah most people dread the "wintry mix" because it's a pain. Most would prefer all snow from that I can tell. 

Also... people have some concept of geography and climate. People along the shoreline when they hear a forecast of wintry mix likely expect a change to rain while people who live in the hills (even people who have no interest in wx) generally understand that they receive more snow up there than the lowlanders do.

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You are not getting rain. Lock this post up.

 

I'm not expecting any.

 

Would you stop with the BOX stuff..it's just one small voice

 

What the hell?  I'm just posting the official government forecast and you get all hot and bothered.  I didn't see you get your panties in a bunch when I posted their HWO that called for a significant storm a few posts back.

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When the word mix is tossed around on air..inevitably most thinks NBD and wet..Ask around

It's certainly a possibility, and with the public opinion you HAVE to play it safe. Nothing wrong at all with saying there is a potential for "mix" state wide at this juncture, even if the probabilities of a mix occuring are much higher on the coast than they are inland.

 

 

Also mix..is a mix. Nobody thinks snowstorm when they hear the word, but people certainly see it as something that can cause a mess.

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BOX on the 4PM update.  Not sure the SE flow will make it as far as they say it will, but everything else is ok:

 

 

BRINGING IT TOGETHER...EXPECTING THE BULK OF THE PRECIPITATION ALONG
AND AHEAD OF THE LOW. HEAVIEST PRECIP WILL BE AROUND SE NEW ENGLAND.
LOOKED CLOSELY AT 2M TEMPS ESPECIALLY THE GFS AS THE LOCATION OF THE
LOW CENTER MATCHES WELL WITH THE CANADIAN/UKMET. ECMWF REMAINS THE
TIMING OUTLIER /LAGGED/. INTERIOR TO REMAIN COLD WITH THE DRAINAGE
FLOW /SFC WINDS BACKED NORTH/. CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL TRANSITION
TO A WINTRY MIX /SNOW-SLEET-FREEZING RAIN/ TO RAIN ACROSS THE
IMMEDIATE SHORES AND ADJACENT COASTAL PLAINS. SO SHOULD SEE SOME
INITIAL ACCUMULATIONS...THEN DISSIPATING WITH USHERANCE OF WARMER
AIR ONSHORE. LIKELY TO BE A BATTLE OF PRECIP TYPES ALONG A COASTAL
FRONT IN PROXIMITY TO SHORES /PER THICKNESSES/ ROUGHLY AROUND AND
EAST OF I-84 TO I-90 TO I-495 WHICH WILL LIMIT SNOWFALL ACCUMS.
COULD BE LOOKING AT SNOW ACCUMS EXCEEDING A FOOT WEST OF THE
AFOREMENTIONED LOCATION OF THE COASTAL FRONT.

LITTLE BLOCKING DOWNSTREAM...SO THIS SYSTEM SHOULD BE QUICK MOVING.
LOOKING AT IMPACTS BEGINNING SATURDAY AND INTENSIFYING INTO SATURDAY
NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING. DRIER AIR WORKING IN FROM THE REAR SHOULD
WIPE EVERYTHING OUT INTO SUNDAY. THIS BEING THE CASE FOLLOWING THE
CONSENSUS OF THE GFS/CANADIAN/UKMET WHICH AGREE ON TIMING.

THIS IS AN ANOMALOUS SYSTEM ROUGHLY +1-2 STANDARD DEVIATION PER THE
GEFS OF PWATS AND BOTH H85 MOISTURE FLUX AND V-WIND COMPONENT. AS A
FINAL NOTE...CIPS ANALOG GUIDANCE TOP-3 EVENTS SUGGEST A SUBSTANTIAL
SNOWS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF ICING /THE TOP EVENT BEING JANUARY 11TH
2009/. THESE TWO POINTS STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THIS STORM WILL BE A
SIGNIFICANT EVENT.

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BOX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

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I'm really worried about that bowling ball of a shortwave in Manitoba, Canada screwing things up for us.  Mid level flow drops to southerly and floods the region with warm air as both at 700mb and 850mb flood with warmth and then at the surface as easterly winds flood the coastal plain with 40F+ degree sea surface temperatures.  Also there is a threat for ocean effect snows before all of this happens as arctic front sags southward.

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BOX on the 4PM update.  Not sure the SE flow will make it as far as they say it will, but everything else is ok:

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BOX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

Is Box looking at time lagged data??

 

Someone have them hit refresh because they are seemingly viewing yesterday's runs.

 

1)As modeled, no one is getting 1'+

2) The cf will not penetrate route 128....probably not very close, either.

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