Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I am going to microscope my flakes today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOSTA Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 http://www.almanac.com/sites/new.almanac.com/files/Snowflakes.pdf I was expecting scroll and scroll....and scroll. There are actually only that many? j/k No two alike, just like fingerprints. Image how many flakes it takes to cover the landscape? I know the answer: A half-dozen AMWX weenie posters. Should be an interesting revealing 00Z model suite soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy4Confluence Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And so we wait... .... ... .... ... ... ... For the Euro to send this thing plowing towards Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And so we wait... .... ... .... ... ... ... For the Euro to send this thing plowing towards Buffalo. I am pretty confident that's not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What's all this ruckus? Ginx, was 12/13/07 dense due to winds disintegrating it into sugar ? Your Feb blizzard this year was like that for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And so we wait... .... ... .... ... ... ... For the Euro to send this thing plowing towards Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What's all this ruckus? Ginx, was 12/13/07 dense due to winds disintegrating it into sugar ? Your Feb blizzard this year was like that for me Nope that was just sh*tty snowgrowth because it torched aloft where the snowgrowth region occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Nope that was just sh*tty snowgrowth because it torched aloft where the snowgrowth region occurred.. So, no grinder. Yeah, I guess I recall Brian or Will mentioning that. What recent good sized event did we have where everything was ground up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 . So, no grinder. Yeah, I guess I recall Brian or Will mentioning that. What recent good sized event did we have where everything was ground up? I thought one of the blizzard we had caused the flakes to be ground up because of the wind...at least that is the way I remember it. I want to say the boxing day storm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 . So, no grinder. Yeah, I guess I recall Brian or Will mentioning that. What recent good sized event did we have where everything was ground up? Boxing Day 2010 had some awful ratios outside the deform band IIRC...despite it being cold. That was wind and dry air related I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx2fish Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I thought one of the blizzard we had was because of the wind...at least that is the way I remember it. I want to say the boxing day storm... Boxing day had some dry layers air aloft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 . So, no grinder. Yeah, I guess I recall Brian or Will mentioning that. What recent good sized event did we have where everything was ground up? Well it's real hard for flakes to be pulverized because I do think they sort of ride with the flow and also static electricity helps keep the flake together(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What's all this ruckus? Ginx, was 12/13/07 dense due to winds disintegrating it into sugar ? Your Feb blizzard this year was like that for me There was little wind, tremendous omega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 12/13/07 was needle heaven, could care less about the shape of the dendrite as long as I get another foot like that I think you'd agree that that is the exception, not the rule because the needles are indicative over inferior mid levels. That was just an overwhelming WAA onslaught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Winter Olympics this year, life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 There was little wind, tremendous omegaYeah. Remembering more now. Very long day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I think you'd agree that that is the exception, not the rule because the needles are indicative over inferior mid levels. That was just an overwhelming WAA onslaught. concur although 1/11/11 was similar at max accumulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Naughty Eric Fisher tweeting that goofy Euro snow map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What sites are friendly for viewing model runs on phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well it's real hard for flakes to be pulverized because I do think they sort of ride with the flow and also static electricity helps keep the flake together(?).I would think they can collide similar to a collision coalescence way. I've seen plenty of light fluff events where the dendrites join together in huge clumps. I think most of the crystal destruction is due to snow transport (BL/DR) though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well it's real hard for flakes to be pulverized because I do think they sort of ride with the flow and also static electricity helps keep the flake together(?). The whole wind crushing flakes to diminish ratios is interesting...it makes sense, but yet it doesn't. If it were true, all the snow we get on the mountain would be lower ratio. I mean I've seen 30-40:1 ratios achieved with 40-60mph winds at summit level, quite frequently actually as our upslope is best with 30-50mph NW flow. I've seen huge drifting of very low ratio snow, too, and it doesn't see to really matter. I think ratios are more a function completely of the flake type and size. You get large, well formed dendrites and it'll pile up no matter how strong the wind is. Might have to do with how strong the bond is between the arms of the crystal and the center maybe? I have no idea, but I can easily dispute the wind and poor ratio correlation from my experiences on the mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Nope that was just sh*tty snowgrowth because it torched aloft where the snowgrowth region occurred. Probably what I had south of AUG in the 3/93 superstorm - 10" of 6:1 rimey grit with surface temps in the upper teens. With decent dendrite growth, that's a 2-footer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 concur although 1/11/11 was similar at max accumulation Insane dynamics trump any mitigating factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Naughty Eric Fisher tweeting that goofy Euro snow map. Id like to go ahead and lock that in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The whole wind crushing flakes to diminish ratios is interesting...it makes sense, but yet it doesn't. If it were true, all the snow we get on the mountain would be lower ratio. I mean I've seen 30-40:1 ratios achieved with 40-60mph winds at summit level, quite frequently actually as our upslope is best with 30-50mph NW flow. I've seen huge drifting of very low ratio snow, too, and it doesn't see to really matter. I think ratios are more a function completely of the flake type and size. You get large, well formed dendrites and it'll pile up no matter how strong the wind is. Might have to do with how strong the bond is between the arms of the crystal and the center maybe? I have no idea, but I can easily dispute the wind and poor ratio correlation from my experiences on the mountain. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Id like to go ahead and lock that inWell it is from 12/10 thru the 20th. But why oh why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And Scott-freak, I get what you are saying. That makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The whole wind crushing flakes to diminish ratios is interesting...it makes sense, but yet it doesn't. If it were true, all the snow we get on the mountain would be lower ratio. I mean I've seen 30-40:1 ratios achieved with 40-60mph winds at summit level, quite frequently actually as our upslope is best with 30-50mph NW flow. I've seen huge drifting of very low ratio snow, too, and it doesn't see to really matter. I think ratios are more a function completely of the flake type and size. You get large, well formed dendrites and it'll pile up no matter how strong the wind is. Might have to do with how strong the bond is between the arms of the crystal and the center maybe? I have no idea, but I can easily dispute the wind and poor ratio correlation from my experiences on the mountain. I'd imagine that the upslope itself negates the wind factor...not the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasnh Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 synoptic says you are missing the boat on the type of storm this is. But I agree ice is a huge concern even with heavy front end snow. I have a question Ginxy what keeps this storm from going southeast with the cold pushing down, or having it cut north over Buffalo? There is really no --NAO at least that I know of? What will make it take the track that all of these models are showing? Wouldn't it favor the track that the last couple of impulses have taken down through the MA and graze the New England area? Or the cutter track that occurred during thanksgiving where if that happened probably front snow and ice and then rain once the warm air came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Naughty Eric Fisher tweeting that goofy Euro snow map. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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