Winter 2013 - 2014 Banter Thread

[MJO812]

Honestly I'm done with the snow for this year. I've received more than my fair share. I have so much salt on my car that you can barely tell what color it's supposed to be. Anymore and this years flooding season is going to be exceptionally bad.

 

 

Totally done too..which is pretty rare for me..but I'm mentally exhausted from tracking storms and hitting refresh on my phone every 5 seconds

 

My car looks disgusting. I can't wait for the warm weather so I can get a car wash. I am also tired of traveling to work in the snow and shoveling. I own a big property so it's a pain in the ass to shovel. I went through at least 12 big bags of salt this winter.

[Stormlover74]

GGEM for next Tuesday

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

Another snow event

Gfs has it too..right before the warmup..we also get cold with snow chances again starting around the 25th. I really think we'll see another 8-12" before winter is over bringing us into the 60-70 range

[doncat]

Wow my high was pushed up to the mid 40s today...let the melting begin

37 here currently so would think 40 should do it.

[IsentropicLift]

Totally done too..which is pretty rare for me..but I'm mentally exhausted from tracking storms and hitting refresh on my phone every 5 seconds

As great as yesterday was, it was very annoying from a forecasting standpoint and that took a mental toll on me. Just about every model early on was overdone with the backend snows. Was not until after 00z that the short range high res woke up. The HRRR was especially bad.

 

The GFS was pretty awful from start to finish. The NAM was overdone. The RGEM was all over the place.

 

Overall I would rate the models in the following pecking order.... ECMWF>NAM>GGEM>UKMET>RGEM>GFS

[Puffin Muffins]

The Yeti has been hearing a lot about a colder result, especially with the Euro singing its tune this afternoon. That tick to the east has The Yeti in a bit of a pinch.  Not to mention our town is out of SALT!! Worried that this may come in a bit colder than you have anticiplated.  Gotta respect the EURO here.   If I were you, might have to don the apron and get baking........

 

Actually hoping for your result.Clear roads by friday afternoon...."Let them Play.....Let them Play"

 

What did I tell ya?! The roads are dry as a bone and with this heat wave you could probably fry an egg on 'em. Just bring some pepper, there's already plenty of salt.

[REDMK6GLI]

My car looks disgusting. I can't wait for the warm weather so I can get a car wash. I am also tired of traveling to work in the snow and shoveling. I own a big property so it's a pain in the ass to shovel. I went through at least 12 big bags of salt this winter.

i daily my car and it looks clean. I improvised and connected my hose to my hot water feed from my wash machine. warm water and no worries, in the end hit it with some adams americana paste wax she looks good till i do it again

[forkyfork]

everyone needs to stop browsing e-wall

[Guest Pamela]

Seasonal Snowfall

2013-14 Winter
As of 2/14/2014 / 4:30 PM
 
Worcester: 68.1"

Allentown: 62.9"

Newark Airport: 55.6"

Philadelphia Intl. Airport: 54.8"

NYC Central Park: 54.0"

Islip, NY: 52.5"

Bridgeport / Sikorsky: 51.9"

Boston: 49.5"

NWS Upton L.I.: 49.0"

NYC LaGuardia: 47.6"

Hartford: 44.8"
NYC JFK: 41.2"
Providence: 33.1"

Washington Dulles: 30.2"

Atlantic City: 26.6"
Baltimore (BWI): 24.8"
Washington National: 15.2"

[Guest Pamela]

Seasonal Snowfall / Long Island
2013-14 Winter
As of 2/14/2014 / 4:30 PM
 

Port Jefferson: 58.3"

Smithtown: 55.4"

Baiting Hollow: 55.1"

Centerport: 54.2"

Islip / MacArthur Airport: 52.5"

BNL / Upton: 49.0"

[Rjay]

Seasonal Snowfall / Long Island

2013-14 Winter

As of 2/14/2014 / 4:30 PM

Port Jefferson: 58.3"

Smithtown: 55.4"

Baiting Hollow: 55.1"

Centerport: 54.2"

Islip / MacArthur Airport: 52.5"

BNL / Upton: 49.0"

Any official ones for Nassau?

[Guest Pamela]

Any official ones for Nassau?

 

I don't know if there is a working co-op in the whole county...Mineola was open for years...not sure anymore...there is one at the Planting Fields Arboretum in Brookville, but I don't think anyone is taking observations at the moment...other than, that...not sure.  Westbury & Sea Cliff have shut down.

[Rjay]

I don't know if there is a working co-op in the whole county...Mineola was open for years...not sure anymore...there is one at the Planting Fields Arboretum in Brookville, but I don't think anyone is taking observations at the moment...other than, that...not sure.

Thanks man.

[Guest Pamela]

Thanks man.

 

YW.  Board member Free Rain...located right around the border of Syosset & Cold Spring Harbor...indicated he had 64.6" of snow on the winter.  Having spent a good deal of time in that area over the years (some family members live nearby) and knowing how snowy it can get up there relative to some other spots (I've argued that extreme NE Nassau spot *might* be the snowiest location on LI)...the report sounds spot on.

[green tube]

in 1996 we had 9 straight days above 50F from feb 20 - 28th. 

 

and then 16" of additional snow fell locally during March and April.

 

78" season total here in 1996.

[doncat]

in 1996 we had 9 straight days above 50F from feb 20 - 28th. 

 

and then 16" of additional snow fell locally during March and April.

 

78" season total here in 1996.

I had 78.5 in. that winter with 59.7 haven falling by the end of Feb and 19 in. for the rest of the season, so we're pretty much on pace right now, but of course it might be hard to keep up that pace for march and april like that winter did.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

YW. Board member Free Rain...located right around the border of Syosset & Cold Spring Harbor...indicated he had 64.6" of snow on the winter. Having spent a good deal of time in that area over the years (some family members live nearby) and knowing how snowy it can get up there relative to some other spots (I've argued that extreme NE Nassau spot *might* be the snowiest location on LI)...the report sounds spot on.

I agree and think it might be from being on the north side of the spine. Hence upslope (Minor granted) and blocking from warm air intrusion during marginal events and throw in some sound enhancement. A further north latitude, higher elevation and final a more rural and less heat island type environment. I saw it yesterday with a nice ice storm north of the lie

[green tube]

I had 78.5 in. that winter with 59.7 haven falling by the end of Feb and 19 in. for the rest of the season, so we're pretty much on pace right now, but of course it might be hard to keep up that pace for march and april like that winter did.

 

yeah... i never assume another inch until it's on the ground.  and i dont even daydream of matching 1996.... but i thought it was noteworthy that we had a massive warm spell in late february that year (9 straight days above 50F! wtf?).... only for winter to come roaring back. 

[Guest Pamela]

yeah... i never assume another inch until it's on the ground.  and i dont even daydream of matching 1996

 

As Lou Manheim told Bud Fox in Wall Street...

 

"You're on a roll kid...enjoy it while it lasts...because it never does."

[Guest Pamela]

I agree and think it might be from being on the north side of the spine. Hence upslope (Minor granted) and blocking from warm air intrusion during marginal events and throw in some sound enhancement. A further north latitude, higher elevation and final a more rural and less heat island type environment. I saw it yesterday with a nice ice storm north of the lie

 

I use to take measurements in West Hills County Park in South Huntington at Jaynes Hill (elevation 401 feet)...and that's probably the absolute snowiest spot on the Island...they averaged about 115% the snow of nearby towns 250 feet lower.

[SnoSki14]

It's been a great winter, #5 ranked in my opinion since the year 2000

[jm1220]

YW.  Board member Free Rain...located right around the border of Syosset & Cold Spring Harbor...indicated he had 64.6" of snow on the winter.  Having spent a good deal of time in that area over the years (some family members live nearby) and knowing how snowy it can get up there relative to some other spots (I've argued that extreme NE Nassau spot *might* be the snowiest location on LI)...the report sounds spot on.

A number of times in average winters I've gone up the Seaford Oyster Bay or up Rt. 106 and am just stunned sometimes at how different the climate can seem up by there vs. where I am. Night and day. There have been times that there would be no or next to snow on the ground at my house and a solid half foot there or more. Winter 2010-11 was most pronounced with that effect-there was effectively a glacier up there for a month and I would have the same heavy snowfalls just to see them whittled away at the marginal events. The ocean was also warmer that year which hurt.

 

The most amazing road trip I've ever taken though was right after the 2/8/13 event out to Rt 112 up through Medford, some of the most amazing scenery I've ever gone through. Seeing 30" of snow on the ground is just incredible. What I would pay to have gone through that storm in central Suffolk...

[doncat]

It's been a great winter, #5 ranked in my opinion since the year 2000

Only #5 ? With snow amounts and persistant cold (Jan. -5 and Feb. -5 so far) it may be the best.

[SnoSki14]

Actually it's 4th after thinking about it, and it's close to 3rd pending what happens before the mild period. I'm defining it by met winter so December 1st to March 1st.

[green tube]

As Lou Manheim told Bud Fox in Wall Street...

 

"You're on a roll kid...enjoy it while it lasts...because it never does."

 

or as carly simon once sung, "these are the good ol' days." 

 

i noted the other day, in the entire 20th century in my area, winters of 3 feet+ occurred an average of 2 times per decade.

 

meanwhile, 7 of the last 14 winters have had at least 3 feet of snow locally.

 

in the 20th century there were 7 winters that reached 50" locally.

 

meanwhile 3 of the last 5 winters have reached 50" locally.

 

this is crazy **** (pardon my Swahili).

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

I use to take measurements in West Hills County Park in South Huntington at Jaynes Hill (elevation 401 feet)...and that's probably the absolute snowiest spot on the Island...they averaged about 115% the snow of nearby towns 250 feet lower.

I forgot one other factor. Being on the north or the north east side of a hill. There is a reason why ski resorts face this way. Being in the shade helps just like the northern state in dix hills

that's seems to hold on to snow better then anywhere. We just don't have that on the south shore. The march storm last year super screwed the south shore. I think a secondary maximum is near stony brook hospital on Nicole's road. Lots of elevation and far enough east for late blooming enhancements. My ex is from east setauket and in always noticed a difference in that little micro climate area. That's a great area for potential sound enhancement

[Guest Pamela]

Any official ones for Nassau?

 

From 1980 - 1990...a station called Westbury was set up 4 or so miles east of Mineola in Nassau County.

Here is some stuff I wrote over at Eastern on Nassau weather and that station... the most reliable and representative cooperative weather station in Nassau County during the 1980's. The name of the station was Westbury, and though it was in operation for only 10.5 years (1/1/1980 - 6/30/1990), it provided a virtually gap free picture of the weather in Nassau County during those years. Besides being gap free, it is located very close to the geographical center of the county, about half way between North and South Shores and roughly midway between the Queens and Suffolk lines. Even better, a quick inspection of the temperature data shows that it was far enough east to be outside the NYC heat island, consistently recording temperatures well below those in NYC. , here are some of the interesting climate stats from far and away Nassau County's most reliable and representative station during the 1980's:

Westbury Annual Snowfall:

1980-81: 22.7"

1981-82: 27.5"

1982-83: 31.4"

1983-84: 30.4"

1984-85: 28.8"

1985-86: 16.5"

1986-87: 33.4"

1987-88: 24.4"

1988-89: 15.8"

1989-90: 23.5"

Mean: 25.44"

Westbury Notable Snowstorms:

1/7/81: 6.9"

3/5/81: 10.4"

1/14/82: 8.1"

4/6/82: 8.8"

12/12/82: 5.7"

2/12/83: 16.5"

1/11/84: 4.7"

1/18/84: 5.7"

3/9/84: 7.0"

12/27/84: 6.8"

1/17/85: 5.5"

2/6/85: 4.9"

2/8/86: 4.0"

2/11/86: 4.1"

1/23/87: 8.2"

1/26/87: 4.6"

2/23/87: 4.8"

1/4/88: 7.1"

1/9/88: 6.8"

12/13/88: 3.7"

1/6/89: 6.2"

11/23/89: 7.2"

2/25/90: 4.4"

Mean Annual Snowfall (1980-81 - 1989-90)

Westbury: 25.44"

Brookhaven Lab / Upton OKX: 25.41"

LaGuardia Airport: 21.66"

John F Kennedy Airport: 20.28"

Central Park: 19.74"

Since I've moved out to Port Jefferson, I've often commented on how snowy the 2001 - 2010 period had been at the nearby Brookhaven Lab / Upton OKX. But the above record clearly shows that during the 1980's Westbury and Upton OKX, were in a virtual dead heat for mean annual snowfall.

November and April Snow Events At Westbury:

11/17/80: 0.2"

4/6/82: 8.8"

4/19/83: 1.4"

11/19/86: 1.7"

11/11/87: 1.1"

11/23/89: 7.2"

4/7/90: 2.6"

It also got quite cold in Westbury during the 1980's. On 10 separate days the mercury dipped to zero Farenheit or below:

12/25/80: -1

1/9/81: 0

1/12/81: -1

1/17/82: -5

1/18/82: -7

1/21/84: -3

1/22/84: -5

1/21/85: -4

1/11/88: 0

1/15/88: -1

I'm quite happy I was finally able to obtain access to this climatological data. It paints an extremely clear picture of Nassau County weather during the 1980's. I only regret that observations ceased on 6/30/1990. It would have been interesting to see what kind of data would have been recorded in Westbury during the tumultuous last 24 years.

 

[Guest Pamela]

I forgot one other factor. Being on the north or the north east side of a hill. There is a reason why ski resorts face this way. Being in the shade helps just like the northern state in dix hills

that's seems to hold on to snow better then anywhere. We just don't have that on the south shore. The march storm last year super screwed the south shore. I think a secondary maximum is near stony brook hospital on Nicole's road. Lots of elevation and far enough east for late blooming enhancements. My ex is from east setauket and in always noticed a difference in that little micro climate area. That's a great area for potential sound enhancement

 

And, perhaps the most important factor, the fact that air temperatures tend to decrease by about 1 F for every 300 feet you go upwards in the troposphere in non inversion situations...i.e., it *usually* gets colder with altitude.

[WintersGrasp]

Long range GFS shows several opportunities for significant winter storms

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[Ralph Wiggum]

Long range GFS shows several opportunities for significant winter storms

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euro weeklies are plenty cold late month into early March :-)

[MJO812]

This guy is suing the city for this. This happened right near my area. Not too far away.