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Winter 2013 - 2014 Banter Thread


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No it doesnt we had an amazing winter overall with total snowfall and temps. Cant let storms that we missed in march take away what this winter actually was for this area. IMO when it gets to march 1st anything else is a bonus as i consider winter december 1st to february 28th.

Its JMO and how I feel about it. Im not saying it wasnt a good winter, It was. Just happen to end on a sour note. My Winter ends April 1st.

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Well this is a horrible way to end the winter im with you on that one

The kick in the nuts... the last storm to swing wide right is probably going to end up the lowest pressure, most powerful beast we have seen since old Sandy girl.

Its like Old man winter flipped us the bird and called us all a bunch of snow greedy, whining weenies on the way out the door...lol

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The kick in the nuts... the last storm to swing wide right is probably going to end up the lowest pressure, most powerful beast we have seen since old Sandy girl.

Its like Old man winter flipped us the bird and called us all a bunch of snow greedy, whining weenies on the way out the door...lol

The worst part is the models kept toying with us..showing big storms taking them away last minute. If it was just a dry boring month with no storms it wouldn't have been so bad but so much time invested in tracking a whole lotta nothing

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The worst part is the models kept toying with us..showing big storms taking them away last minute. If it was just a dry boring month with no storms it wouldn't have been so bad but so much time invested in tracking a whole lotta nothing

Precisely why I feel the way I do.

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Despite the great winter we had; I ended up with 56 inches this season, the month of march we just had really put a damper on it. A lot of late nights tracking a whole lot of nothing. To cap things off we end up missing the grand daddy of them all with this snow bomb heading out to sea. Can only imagine if this beast took the BM track. Its going to be a long nine months off. Here's hoping for a weak El Nino/-NAO next winter!

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Plenty of storms but no storms. Would rather have had nothing at all to track

Yeah, I agree to an extent, but I would probably take my chances with an identical pattern for another month if I could. The luck of the draw dictated that we missed out on a few good storms, but it wouldn't have taken much to validate our time spent tracking threats. It kept things somewhat interesting if nothing else.

 

Despite the great winter we had; I ended up with 56 inches this season, the month of march we just had really put a damper on it. A lot of late nights tracking a whole lot of nothing. To cap things off we end up missing the grand daddy of them all with this snow bomb heading out to sea. Can only imagine if this beast took the BM track. Its going to be a long nine months off. Here's hoping for a weak El Nino/-NAO next winter!

Even a BM track wouldn't have helped most of us... the 40/70 thing was established mostly from a New England point of view. For us to achieve the best banding, we usually need folks in eastern Mass to worry about p-type.

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Even a BM track wouldn't have helped most of us... the 40/70 thing was established mostly from a New England point of view. For us to achieve the best banding, we usually need folks in eastern Mass to worry about p-type.

Completely agree. The BM can give LI a pretty good hit. We really need a storm inside the BM to give our whole subforum a good hit.

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The kick in the nuts... the last storm to swing wide right is probably going to end up the lowest pressure, most powerful beast we have seen since old Sandy girl.

Its like Old man winter flipped us the bird and called us all a bunch of snow greedy, whining weenies on the way out the door...lol

Winter was basically over for us after the Feb 13th storm dumped 12-16" area wide. I thought that Dobbs Ferry was almost a lock to break the 90" seasonal snowfall record from 60-61 when 74" had already fallen in late February, but this winter will only be the 4th snowiest since 1947, behind 60-61 (90"), 95-96 (82"), and 57-58 (80") for our area in southern Westchester.

 

Still, the periods of deep winter with genuine cold and a snowpack that reached nearly 30" in the woods behind our house made this one of the best. I measured 26" on the lawn in Dobbs Ferry and 29" in the woods in mid-February after the major blizzard and clipper; you aren't going to see that type of snow pack too often in southern Westchester. At my apartment in Brooklyn, snowpack was 17-18" deep following the major February blizzard, and traces of snow remained until around March 10th.

 

The cold was also incredibly memorable: nearby Tarrytown PNS, in a heavily developed area, recorded a low of 1.8F on Jan 4 after a high of only 11.7F; on January 7th, the low was 2.1F after a high of 17.9F with gusty NW winds. Seeing so many days with highs in the teens and lows near zero is incredibly rare for the immediate suburbs of NYC. Not to mention, NYC has had three straight months well-below normal: -4.0F in January, -3.7F in February, and now -3.8F departure in March. This was after a very cold November with nearly 10 nights below freezing in Central Park, and the promise of a cold ending to March and beginning of April.

 

Yes, we got a little unlucky in March...the pattern should have allowed us to break the record. Having said that, a -NAO becomes more important for snowfall later in the season, and without the blocking to slow down the flow, we were at the mercy of storms both missing to the south (like the 3/2 event) or cutting to the north (like 3/8). The -EPO is less useful for snow in March than in January and February, and the -NAO becomes more important. This is due to the seasonal migration of the jet stream...the big March snowfall totals almost always come from cut-off lows associated with the Greenland block, whereas the -EPO encourages clippers and cold overrunning events during the heart of winter. Missing the NAO hurt us, but we have nothing to complain about.

 

We had a great winter, folks.

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He's upset because he's only gotten 3 compliments on his "methods" and preaches when someone disagrees with him. Very much a holier then thou attitude.

Yeah. I don't like to make digs at someone from the safety of another subforum, but any time you assume the role of the "freakin' new guy", it's best to lay low and avoid confrontation. First impressions are hard to override later on.

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People expecting a shift West based on the 18Z NAM-  I really, really, really want them to be right,

 

 

But I am pretty sure they are grasping at straws.

 

NWS OKX map looks darned reasonable to me, an inch or less city, an inch or three on the Island, maybe a tad more on the Forks.

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The kick in the nuts... the last storm to swing wide right is probably going to end up the lowest pressure, most powerful beast we have seen since old Sandy girl.

Its like Old man winter flipped us the bird and called us all a bunch of snow greedy, whining weenies on the way out the door...lol[/quote

Ugh. Craig Allen referred to this as he most powerful storm in the area since sandy. That hurt. Watching a 10-20 year event pass by just wide right. You don't get a lot of chances at 950mb snowstorms in a lifetime let alone a season.

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