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The Second Wave: Dec 10 (Model Discussion)


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For all practical purposes, I think they should've gone with 3-6" and a warning even if the higher end is a stretch, just so that the public would take it more seriously since the timing is atrocious.

 

I don't want this to become Commuteageddon part II.

 

My entire office is working from home tomorrow... none of us are even attempting to deal with the commute

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LWX talks about banding and poss. upgrades

 

LATEST GUIDANCE SHOWS THE POTENTIAL FOR MESOSCALE BANDING...WHICH

WILL CAUSE HIGH PRECIPITATION RATES. HOWEVER...CERTAINTY IN EXACTLY

WHERE THAT BAND SETS UP IS STILL HIGH. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY

IS IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY

AFTERNOON. THE MORNING RUSH HOUR WILL BE IMPACTED AND SNOWFALL

RATES AROUND ONE TO TWO INCHES PER HOUR WILL CAUSE DANGEROUS

TRAVEL CONDITIONS. THE ADVISORY MAY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO A

WARNING FOR PORTIONS OF THE AREA...DEPENDING ON EXACTLY WHERE THE

HEAVIER BANDS SET UP AND HOW STRONG THEY ARE. WILL CONTINUE TO

MONITOR DURING EVENING AND OVERNIGHT SHIFTS.

PRECIPITATION WILL QUICKLY DURING THE EARLY AND MIDDLE AFTERNOON

HOURS TUESDAY.

 

I think that's a smart move on their part.

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I think Marty Baxter's article put us at 11-1.  

I've only done numbers for DCA which are probably lower than many spots.. plus doing ratios off climo stats is tricky as you don't know which storms flipped etc. 

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LWX talks about banding and poss. upgrades

 

LATEST GUIDANCE SHOWS THE POTENTIAL FOR MESOSCALE BANDING...WHICH

WILL CAUSE HIGH PRECIPITATION RATES. HOWEVER...CERTAINTY IN EXACTLY

WHERE THAT BAND SETS UP IS STILL HIGH. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY

IS IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY

AFTERNOON. THE MORNING RUSH HOUR WILL BE IMPACTED AND SNOWFALL

RATES AROUND ONE TO TWO INCHES PER HOUR WILL CAUSE DANGEROUS

TRAVEL CONDITIONS. THE ADVISORY MAY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO A

WARNING FOR PORTIONS OF THE AREA...DEPENDING ON EXACTLY WHERE THE

HEAVIER BANDS SET UP AND HOW STRONG THEY ARE. WILL CONTINUE TO

MONITOR DURING EVENING AND OVERNIGHT SHIFTS.

PRECIPITATION WILL QUICKLY DURING THE EARLY AND MIDDLE AFTERNOON

HOURS TUESDAY.

They're watching us

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LWX talks about banding and poss. upgrades

 

LATEST GUIDANCE SHOWS THE POTENTIAL FOR MESOSCALE BANDING...WHICH

WILL CAUSE HIGH PRECIPITATION RATES. HOWEVER...CERTAINTY IN EXACTLY

WHERE THAT BAND SETS UP IS STILL HIGH. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY

IS IN EFFECT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY

AFTERNOON. THE MORNING RUSH HOUR WILL BE IMPACTED AND SNOWFALL

RATES AROUND ONE TO TWO INCHES PER HOUR WILL CAUSE DANGEROUS

TRAVEL CONDITIONS. THE ADVISORY MAY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO A

WARNING FOR PORTIONS OF THE AREA...DEPENDING ON EXACTLY WHERE THE

HEAVIER BANDS SET UP AND HOW STRONG THEY ARE. WILL CONTINUE TO

MONITOR DURING EVENING AND OVERNIGHT SHIFTS.

PRECIPITATION WILL QUICKLY DURING THE EARLY AND MIDDLE AFTERNOON

HOURS TUESDAY.

 

 

The ML frontogenesis in this is very intense. Wherever it sets up is probably going to be in for a surprise compared to the forecast...its just the nature of these type of banding profiles. Figuring out exactly where it sets up can be the hard part though. Someone in here will be reporting heavy snow for several hours though I think...whether its down in C VA or DC or the Delmarva.

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The ML frontogenesis in this is very intense. Wherever it sets up is probably going to be in for a surprise compared to the forecast...its just the nature of these type of banding profiles. Figuring out exactly where it sets up can be the hard part though. Someone in here will be reporting heavy snow for several hours though I think...whether its down in C VA or DC or the Delmarva.

What do you think would be the max potential snow if you got under a band? 

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I thought it was 4" for LWX, but I guess not.  Considering how 1" can disrupt travel around here, I like that criteria better.

 

Nope, it's 5", which is why our 3-5" advisory isn't a warning.

 

Personally I think it should be 4" from I-95 east and 5" in the colder burbs.

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What do you think would be the max potential snow if you got under a band? 

 

This one seems to be a quick mover, with about 6-7 hours of snow.  Let's say it takes a couple hours to get that first inch as snowfall ramps up, and then a band sets up for about 3 hours before it moves out, with another inch from 2 hours of light snow, someone could see up to 8 inches.  Of course that's assuming there's no sleet mixing in, sfc temps are cold enough that it sticks almost immediately, and get enough support from upper levels to hold the band together, etc - that's a lot of IFs.  

 

But I really don't think 8" is that much of a stretch if all these IFs come together.

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Nope, it's 5", which is why our 3-5" advisory isn't a warning.

 

Personally I think it should be 4" from I-95 east and 5" in the colder burbs.

 

This must have been a change in the last 2 years, since I got to H(now W)PC from the field.  The last Winter Weather AWOC course still had the DC area (NoVa, central and eastern MD) with 4" in 12 hrs and 5" in 24 hrs as the warning criteria. 

 

Either way, the impact of 2-4 or 3-5" withing a <12 hour timeframe would be pretty significant, especially if it involves rush hour.  LWX can certainly upgrade to a WSW should they see fit.  One thing I did notice is that the wording in the WSW is 3-5", yet the storm total graphic, at least as of 4:00 pm, was still 2-4.  It may just not be updated yet.  All-in-all -- this has the makings of a pretty decent event, especially for us south of I-70 that missed out on that heavy snow band yesterday.

 

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/winter/images/StormTotalSnowRange.png

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