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The Second Wave: Dec 10 (Model Discussion)


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The biggest factor against tomorrow is time/alignment, really. With a more north-south alignment over the area, no band may sit over a spot too long (but they may not have to anyway). The setup tomorrow may prevent large-scale subsidence from ruining snow shield over the area but there still could be a decent band across PA. Up here, the alignment is more tilted with better dendrite making. If this becomes strong enough, it will take its toll on the banding to its south. For now, modeling says no and the vertical structure, circulation seems pretty classic, even if brief.  

I think many here would prefer a broad shield of pretty good SN with some SN+.

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my benchmark for this storm imby is +SN (since I didn't get any yesterday) and 2"...I think I have a decent shot at both

IMHO you have a very good shot at both. The watch which people are questioning seems possibly warranted. I certainly wouldn't demerit it if anything. It will probably verify in some places where the heaviest snow is. 

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Jason keeps on adjusting the wording on that article, lol. His latest wording:

"Update- 11:20 a.m.: To clarify my comment above – I think the 5″+ assessment is aggressive, not because it’s impossible, but because it’s a “boom” (high-end) scenario – rather than the most likely scenario. Having said that, I don’t want to be overly critical of NWS as the storm will be coming in around rush hour and could have a high impact. It’s a borderline Winter Storm Watch situation, overall."

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my benchmark for this storm imby is +SN (since I didn't get any yesterday) and 2"...I think I have a decent shot at both

 

Sorry but mine is 3".  Anything else is a fail.  It is illogical and destined for disappointment but I would hate to think we would miss yet again on this one.

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Sorry but mine is 3".  Anything else is a fail.  It is illogical and destined for disappointment but I would hate to think we would miss yet again on this one.

After getting the finger 60 miles south of the good stuff yesterday, it's 4" for me.

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meh.. if this ends up 1" it's a major disaster. 

 

maybe you're right...but I try (and often fail) not to let model output drive my opinion of what occurs.  We tend to be too wrapped up in what models show and they bust a lot and not usually in our favor here in DC. Whatever occurs is what was supposed to occur.  It just means the models failed.  Not the storm itself.  

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Is it just me or does CWG feel the need to frequently play Devils Advocate to NWS?

I don't think so- I think it's more just the nature being in the media. They have a pretty large audience that trusts their forecasts so they have to kind of "get ahead" to sniff out new threats. And since the NWS threw up the watch before they could release an actual accumulating snow forecast, I think there was pressure to comment in some manner. 

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maybe you're right...but I try (and often fail) not to let model output drive my opinion of what occurs.  We tend to be too wrapped up in what models show and they bust a lot and not usually in our favor here in DC. Whatever occurs is what was supposed to occur.  It just means the models failed.  Not the storm itself.  

I'm not really saying it has to be more because of the models just that I'm sick of tiny putrid events. I know that's how we get a lot of our snow but we should also get a good event here and there. Granted I slept through the March snow.. 

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I'm not really saying it has to be more because of the models just that I'm sick of tiny putrid events. I know that's how we get a lot of our snow but we should also get a good event here and there. Granted I slept through the March snow.. 

Well, this 0.5-1.5" snow thing we've been doing the last two seasons isn't "normal DC." In the past, even the worst seasons saw one or two 2-4"/3-6" snows. I'm hoping we can break out of the rut too... 

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I personally find a good amount of forecasters to have a level of arrogance...I suppose the competitive nature requires that to some degree...certainly dt is the height of it but they all exhibit it to some degree. Not an indictment just my observation.

Weather people are about as arrogant as it comes. 

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I'm not really saying it has to be more because of the models just that I'm sick of tiny putrid events. I know that's how we get a lot of our snow but we should also get a good event here and there. Granted I slept through the March snow.. 

 

agreed, but early-mid December is kind of early for us in the city...3-5+ are pretty uncommon at this point as you know...going back 30 years...  12-12-82, 11/11/87, 11/23/89, 12/5/02, 12/5/05, 12/5/07, ...so maybe 1 out of every 5 winters......maybe not that unreasonable

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Well, this 0.5-1.5" snow thing we've been doing the last two seasons isn't "normal DC." In the past, even the worst seasons saw one or two 2-4"/3-6" snows. I'm hoping we can break out of the rut too... 

Yeah, true.  I meant more that we do rely no the small events to get to climo -- if we ever do that anymore.  

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