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The "What To Title The Storm?" Thread - Dec 8-9


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I've been totally calm for some reason. No run has remotely upset me. Just looking for a non-slantsticked inch and hopefully some gravy. 

notice how every run with the heavy precip also has the colder temps

the lack of evaporational cooling from lighter precip is what is killing us on this NAM run vs. 0Z

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Am I reading this correctly that the surface temp (2M) freezing line on the NAM is basically draped over 95 early on Monday morning? Which is why the concern for a major ice storm west of the city is rising? Usually I just lurk, but trying to understand.

 

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You are very correct. Good "non lurking" post. haha

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Good run for sure. 850 definitely a noticeable shift N @ 18z sunday compared to 6z run but precip is in faster so hard to say if it means much overall. Decent precip totals before the changeover all things considered. 

 

As MN said, folks out west could be in for a memorable ice storm. Decent consensus there for sure. 

For DC Baltimore... I see Virga up until 18UTC, Light snow or flurries 18-21UTC, sleet or Freezing rain to 00Z and rain thereafter... With the low tracking up in to the Great Lakes... I just dont see cold air sticking around that long... 

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How does the progress of the cold air today play into what happens Sunday. We have a heck of a gradient going on today. Winchester is 41, Cho is 66. Does a faster progression suppress the precip on Sunday a little? No effect?

it's all pushed to our east and south, high pressure builds in, and then the precip maker comes in

I don't think it makes a big difference based on the relatively small detail diff in the models

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For DC Baltimore... I see Virga up until 18UTC, Light snow or flurries 18-21UTC, sleet or Freezing rain to 00Z and rain thereafter... With the low tracking up in to the Great Lakes... I just dont see cold air sticking around that long... 

 

you might be right but all guidance disagrees. I'll stick with a blend of guidance and say your call is not good. 

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you might be right but all guidance disagrees. I'll stick with a blend of guidance and say your call is not good. 

Here is the thing... that is not may call... that is what I see on the guidance... I just see a small window of  snow flurries/ light snow before change over..  To be fair and after reading more... maybe we get a prolonged period of frozen... maybe up to about 1 or 2 AM.. longer than that in western suburbs... but I would be shocked... just floored.. if the cities see more than a dusting of snow... I am just not seeing the upper levels staying cold before we are able to overcome the dry air... hence flurries.... 

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Here is the thing... that is not may call... that is what I see on the guidance... I just see a small window of  snow flurries/ slight snow before change over..  To be fair and after reading more... maybe we get a prolonged period of frozen... maybe up to about 1 or 2 AM.. longer than that in western suburbs... but I would be shocked... just floored.. if the cities see more than a dusting of snow... I am just not seeing the upper levels staying cold before we are able to overcome the dry air... hence flurries.... 

 

Our snow chances hinge on rates with the initial wave. Models to take into account virga and when the column saturates so it's not really up to us to guess on that part. But yes, if the initial wave is paltry then snow chances are greatly diminished. There is nothing really throwing a flag there yet. Guidance definitely points towards a relatively quick saturation of the column. 

 

This isn't a clipper either. Warm moist air advecting from the gulf is a different animal all together. IMO- an inch in the burbs west of the cities has much better odds than virga and nothing attm. 

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Here is the thing... that is not may call... that is what I see on the guidance... I just see a small window of  snow flurries/ light snow before change over..  To be fair and after reading more... maybe we get a prolonged period of frozen... maybe up to about 1 or 2 AM.. longer than that in western suburbs... but I would be shocked... just floored.. if the cities see more than a dusting of snow... I am just not seeing the upper levels staying cold before we are able to overcome the dry air... hence flurries.... 

Yeah, but the models are showing snow in the cities. Are you reading the models or making your own interpretation? Seems more like the latter.

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Here is the thing... that is not may call... that is what I see on the guidance... I just see a small window of  snow flurries/ light snow before change over..  To be fair and after reading more... maybe we get a prolonged period of frozen... maybe up to about 1 or 2 AM.. longer than that in western suburbs... but I would be shocked... just floored.. if the cities see more than a dusting of snow... I am just not seeing the upper levels staying cold before we are able to overcome the dry air... hence flurries.... 

Read more and post less...thats not what the 'guidance' says..now maybe the guidance is wrong, and it very well could be, but your mixing you personal opinion and guidance up.

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I still think 0.5-2" is probably the right range for the cities/95 corridor and immediate surroundings.  Probably 1-3" a little north/west of those areas.  Then ice on top.  

 

precip is obvioously the big wildcard....cold is a lock...and we'll probably stay colder at the surface and mid levels longer than progged...the NAM is clearly wrong...

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Based on all available guidance, its a pretty bad call.

 

I hate arguments like this too because if we end up getting shafted with the early precip then there's the quick swoop to claim victory. Being right for the wrong reasons always bothers me. We're supposed to analyze guidance and not make a contrary wag just cause.

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Temp snapshot across the area @ 8pm sunday. Hi-res doing a good job picking up terrain features like the FDK bowl. 

 

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And just for giggles...sim radar for 8pm:

 

 

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Some of those temps may actually be a tad bit warm for 8pm, but it sure does give you a good idea as to who will receive a) a decent first event of the season and B) who may see a prolonged icing event.

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Some of those temps may actually be a tad bit warm for 8pm, but it sure does give you a good idea as to who will receive a) a decent first event of the season and B) who may see a prolonged icing event.

Yea, it does seem like a warm panel but temps simply aren't moving much either. Very fun event to track. If I'm 28 @ 8pm then i might start thinking that I get "real" ice this time. I have my doubts still. 

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