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The "What To Title The Storm?" Thread - Dec 8-9


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WPC having breakfast at the waffle house today

THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY WITH THIS FORECAST BECAUSE OF THE

EFFECTS OF SEVERAL RELATIVELY WEAK IMPULSES CONTRIBUTING TO

WIDESPREAD AREAS OF WINTRY PRECIPITATION IN WHICH THE

PRECIPITATION TYPE WILL NOT BE A CONSTANT FOR A GIVEN AREA.

THEREFORE...A LARGE REGION OF THE NATION WILL BE AFFECTED BY

SEVERAL MODES OF WINTER...WHETHER IT BE SNOW...SLEET OR FREEZING

RAIN OR A COMBINATION OF SOME OR ALL...THAT MAY CHANGE OVER TIME.

ALL OF THESE MECHANISMS AND WHERE THEY OCCUR CANNOT BE DISCUSSED

IN A DISCUSSION SUCH AS THIS. THE ACCOMPANYING GRAPHICS AT LEAST

PAINTS AN IDEA OF WHERE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SNOW AND ICING IS

EXPECTED TO OCCUR.

No discussing stuff in a discussion

 

so wheres the accompanying graphic?

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Not sure how valid or useful they are, but the SREF plumes did slightly increase snow accums from 21z to 3z, mainly due to a few more members popping on the high end of possibilities

 

The other interesting thing about the SREF plumes is that the operational NAM from 00z was 2 degrees colder during the day on Sunday than any other member.

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WPC having breakfast at the waffle house today

THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY WITH THIS FORECAST BECAUSE OF THE

EFFECTS OF SEVERAL RELATIVELY WEAK IMPULSES CONTRIBUTING TO

WIDESPREAD AREAS OF WINTRY PRECIPITATION IN WHICH THE

PRECIPITATION TYPE WILL NOT BE A CONSTANT FOR A GIVEN AREA.

THEREFORE...A LARGE REGION OF THE NATION WILL BE AFFECTED BY

SEVERAL MODES OF WINTER...WHETHER IT BE SNOW...SLEET OR FREEZING

RAIN OR A COMBINATION OF SOME OR ALL...THAT MAY CHANGE OVER TIME.

ALL OF THESE MECHANISMS AND WHERE THEY OCCUR CANNOT BE DISCUSSED

IN A DISCUSSION SUCH AS THIS. THE ACCOMPANYING GRAPHICS AT LEAST

PAINTS AN IDEA OF WHERE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SNOW AND ICING IS

EXPECTED TO OCCUR.

No discussing stuff in a discussion

Sounds a lot like our threads.......

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6z runs obviously not as wet as 0z but does that really come as any surprise? 6z guidance in line with 0z euro overall. All eyes on the handling of the front end. Timing seems to be resolved with onset S-N between 10am and noon or so. 

 

Models do show non-uniform precip totals with varying amounts over relatively short distances. How much falls as snow and who gets the most is largely unresolved.

 

Still looks like DCA and immediate burbs are on track for 1-2" but there is risk for lower and higher amounts. Overall, ,50-.75" for the entire area will come in various frozen forms going off of  6z guidance alone. 

 

I'm personally mostly interested in the front end wave of precip. Looks to have some e-w orientation to heaviest precip totals. My wag looking at last night and this morning is the higher totals will end up further north or have a larger expanse. Not just saying because i live north. I could easily end up being south of the best stripe. 

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I also have angst because this is probably our final storm of the season

 

FWIW, there is a potential repeat a week from Sunday showing up and there IS a STJ. Regardless of current cold blast, there is definitely an El Nino-like tone to the flow. Just pull up a wv loop and there's clearly a Mid Latitude low over the N-C PAC with split flow in the E PAC. This is no nina, despite this EPO blast (which was really caused by the extending jet from tropical forcing heading into nino phases).

So I guess what I'm getting at is...there is plenty of opportunities on the way that will have a great chance at letting you down.

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Good run for sure. 850 definitely a noticeable shift N @ 18z sunday compared to 6z run but precip is in faster so hard to say if it means much overall. Decent precip totals before the changeover all things considered. 

 

As MN said, folks out west could be in for a memorable ice storm. Decent consensus there for sure. 

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Good run for sure. 850 definitely a noticeable shift N @ 18z sunday compared to 6z run but precip is in faster so hard to say if it means much overall. Decent precip totals before the changeover all things considered.

As MN said, folks out west could be in for a memorable ice storm. Decent consensus there for sure.

I'll pass on the heavy ice. Of course, I have no choice. Good, bad or otherwise, we all know exact placement of precip can change plenty when you are still more than two days out.

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Good run for sure. 850 definitely a noticeable shift N @ 18z sunday compared to 6z run but precip is in faster so hard to say if it means much overall. Decent precip totals before the changeover all things considered. 

 

As MN said, folks out west could be in for a memorable ice storm. Decent consensus there for sure. 

 

There will still be subtle shifts both with temps and precip each run but no need to panic.  Stuff will fall from the sky

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