dmc76 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Agree about YYZ. Just wanted to clarify. This isnt really the thread for it, but what the hell its banter lol...here is Detroits complete list to 1874. I know the records start at 1880 per the NWS website, but that is because snowfall data was M for a few scattered months in the 1870s. I can understand not including the total snowfall since there were a few M months, but no reason not to include snowfall data since 90% of the record for 1874-1879 is indeed complete. 43 storms have had 9"+ officially. 01.) 24.5” – April 6, 1886 02.) 19.3” – December 1/2, 1974 03.) 17.5” – February 28/March 1, 1875 04.) 16.1” – March 4/5, 1900 05.) 15.7” – January 31/February 1, 1878 06.) 14.0” – February 28/March 1, 1900 07.) 14.0” – December 18-20, 1929 08.) 12.8” – February 12/13, 1894 09.) 12.6” – February 18/19, 1908 10.) 12.5” – January 31/February 1, 1881 11.) 12.3” – March 3/4, 1895 12.) 12.3” – February 9, 1911 13.) 12.2” – January 22, 2005 14.) 12.1” – January 13/14, 1927 15.) 11.8” – January 30/31, 1982 16.) 11.4” – March 4/5, 1899 17.) 11.4” – January 13/14, 1910 18.) 11.3” – January 2/3, 1999 19.) 11.2” – February 3/4, 1901 20.) 11.2” – December 19/20, 1973 21.) 11.1” – January 14, 1992 22.) 11.1” – March 7/8, 1931 23.) 11.1” – December 31, 2013-January 2, 2014 24.) 11.0” – February 25/26, 1965 25.) 10.6” – December 4/5, 1898 26.) 10.6” – January 5/6, 2014 27.) 10.3” – January 6, 1994 28.) 10.3” – February 1/2, 2011 29.) 10.2” – February 20/21, 2011 30.) 10.1” – January 25-27, 1978 31.) 10.0” – February 4, 1900 32.) 10.0” – December 14, 1922 33.) 9.9” – March 16/17, 1973 34.) 9.5” – March 21/22, 1916 35.) 9.5” – March 19/20, 1883 36.) 9.4” – February 1, 1908 37.) 9.2” – March 26/27, 1934 38.) 9.0” – March 28/29, 1876 39.) 9.0” – December 3, 1893 40.) 9.0” – February 21, 1898 41.) 9.0” – November 15/16, 1932 42.) 9.0” – January 9/10, 1957 43.) 9.0” – December 15/16, 2007 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Agree about YYZ. Just wanted to clarify. This isnt really the thread for it, but what the hell its banter lol...here is Detroits complete list to 1874. I know the records start at 1880 per the NWS website, but that is because snowfall data was M for a few scattered months in the 1870s. I can understand not including the total snowfall since there were a few M months, but no reason not to include snowfall data since 90% of the record for 1874-1879 is indeed complete. 43 storms have had 9"+ officially. 01.) 24.5” – April 6, 1886 02.) 19.3” – December 1/2, 1974 03.) 17.5” – February 28/March 1, 1875 04.) 16.1” – March 4/5, 1900 05.) 15.7” – January 31/February 1, 1878 06.) 14.0” – February 28/March 1, 1900 07.) 14.0” – December 18-20, 1929 08.) 12.8” – February 12/13, 1894 09.) 12.6” – February 18/19, 1908 10.) 12.5” – January 31/February 1, 1881 11.) 12.3” – March 3/4, 1895 12.) 12.3” – February 9, 1911 13.) 12.2” – January 22, 2005 14.) 12.1” – January 13/14, 1927 15.) 11.8” – January 30/31, 1982 16.) 11.4” – March 4/5, 1899 17.) 11.4” – January 13/14, 1910 18.) 11.3” – January 2/3, 1999 19.) 11.2” – February 3/4, 1901 20.) 11.2” – December 19/20, 1973 21.) 11.1” – January 14, 1992 22.) 11.1” – March 7/8, 1931 23.) 11.1” – December 31, 2013-January 2, 2014 24.) 11.0” – February 25/26, 1965 25.) 10.6” – December 4/5, 1898 26.) 10.6” – January 5/6, 2014 27.) 10.3” – January 6, 1994 28.) 10.3” – February 1/2, 2011 29.) 10.2” – February 20/21, 2011 30.) 10.1” – January 25-27, 1978 31.) 10.0” – February 4, 1900 32.) 10.0” – December 14, 1922 33.) 9.9” – March 16/17, 1973 34.) 9.5” – March 21/22, 1916 35.) 9.5” – March 19/20, 1883 36.) 9.4” – February 1, 1908 37.) 9.2” – March 26/27, 1934 38.) 9.0” – March 28/29, 1876 39.) 9.0” – December 3, 1893 40.) 9.0” – February 21, 1898 41.) 9.0” – November 15/16, 1932 42.) 9.0” – January 9/10, 1957 43.) 9.0” – December 15/16, 2007 A lot of your better storms are from the late 19th/early 20th century as well. Not sure what's happened between then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 A lot of your better storms are from the late 19th/early 20th century as well. Not sure what's happened between then and now. We were coming off a historically cold period during the 19th century if I recall (mini-ice age?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 A lot of your better storms are from the late 19th/early 20th century as well. Not sure what's happened between then and now. Only 5 storms of 9"+ from 1929 to 1974 What a horrible period for snow lovers in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Agree about YYZ. Just wanted to clarify. This isnt really the thread for it, but what the hell its banter lol...here is Detroits complete list to 1874. I know the records start at 1880 per the NWS website, but that is because snowfall data was M for a few scattered months in the 1870s. I can understand not including the total snowfall since there were a few M months, but no reason not to include snowfall data since 90% of the record for 1874-1879 is indeed complete. 43 storms have had 9"+ officially. 01.) 24.5” – April 6, 1886 02.) 19.3” – December 1/2, 1974 03.) 17.5” – February 28/March 1, 1875 04.) 16.1” – March 4/5, 1900 05.) 15.7” – January 31/February 1, 1878 06.) 14.0” – February 28/March 1, 1900 07.) 14.0” – December 18-20, 1929 08.) 12.8” – February 12/13, 1894 09.) 12.6” – February 18/19, 1908 10.) 12.5” – January 31/February 1, 1881 11.) 12.3” – March 3/4, 1895 12.) 12.3” – February 9, 1911 13.) 12.2” – January 22, 2005 14.) 12.1” – January 13/14, 1927 15.) 11.8” – January 30/31, 1982 16.) 11.4” – March 4/5, 1899 17.) 11.4” – January 13/14, 1910 18.) 11.3” – January 2/3, 1999 19.) 11.2” – February 3/4, 1901 20.) 11.2” – December 19/20, 1973 21.) 11.1” – January 14, 1992 22.) 11.1” – March 7/8, 1931 23.) 11.1” – December 31, 2013-January 2, 2014 24.) 11.0” – February 25/26, 1965 25.) 10.6” – December 4/5, 1898 26.) 10.6” – January 5/6, 2014 27.) 10.3” – January 6, 1994 28.) 10.3” – February 1/2, 2011 29.) 10.2” – February 20/21, 2011 30.) 10.1” – January 25-27, 1978 31.) 10.0” – February 4, 1900 32.) 10.0” – December 14, 1922 33.) 9.9” – March 16/17, 1973 34.) 9.5” – March 21/22, 1916 35.) 9.5” – March 19/20, 1883 36.) 9.4” – February 1, 1908 37.) 9.2” – March 26/27, 1934 38.) 9.0” – March 28/29, 1876 39.) 9.0” – December 3, 1893 40.) 9.0” – February 21, 1898 41.) 9.0” – November 15/16, 1932 42.) 9.0” – January 9/10, 1957 43.) 9.0” – December 15/16, 2007 This is awesome. Where do you get stats like this from? I would love to see them for KBUF. I have been trying to find them everywhere to no avail, maybe I should email the NWS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFF Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Best bantering I have ever witnessed !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 We were coming off a historically cold period during the 19th century if I recall (mini-ice age?). Thats true...but it doesnt explain why the winters werent uniformly snowier back then as well? A lot of decent winters in that period, but quite a few duds as well. As impressive as the LACK of 12"+ storms is recently is the SURPLUS of 6"+ storms. In no era...not the 1880s or 1970s or anything...can I find a rate of 6"+ storms like we are seeing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 This is awesome. Where do you get stats like this from? I would love to see them for KBUF. I have been trying to find them everywhere to no avail, maybe I should email the NWS? This was compiled by me a while back. For individual stuff like this, you would have to do a lot of your own digging. Plus its probably harder to decifer whats what in your area due to lake effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Agree about YYZ. Just wanted to clarify. This isnt really the thread for it, but what the hell its banter lol...here is Detroits complete list to 1874. I know the records start at 1880 per the NWS website, but that is because snowfall data was M for a few scattered months in the 1870s. I can understand not including the total snowfall since there were a few M months, but no reason not to include snowfall data since 90% of the record for 1874-1879 is indeed complete. 43 storms have had 9"+ officially. 01.) 24.5” – April 6, 1886 02.) 19.3” – December 1/2, 1974 03.) 17.5” – February 28/March 1, 1875 04.) 16.1” – March 4/5, 1900 05.) 15.7” – January 31/February 1, 1878 06.) 14.0” – February 28/March 1, 1900 07.) 14.0” – December 18-20, 1929 08.) 12.8” – February 12/13, 1894 09.) 12.6” – February 18/19, 1908 10.) 12.5” – January 31/February 1, 1881 11.) 12.3” – March 3/4, 1895 12.) 12.3” – February 9, 1911 13.) 12.2” – January 22, 2005 14.) 12.1” – January 13/14, 1927 15.) 11.8” – January 30/31, 1982 16.) 11.4” – March 4/5, 1899 17.) 11.4” – January 13/14, 1910 18.) 11.3” – January 2/3, 1999 19.) 11.2” – February 3/4, 1901 20.) 11.2” – December 19/20, 1973 21.) 11.1” – January 14, 1992 22.) 11.1” – March 7/8, 1931 23.) 11.1” – December 31, 2013-January 2, 2014 24.) 11.0” – February 25/26, 1965 25.) 10.6” – December 4/5, 1898 26.) 10.6” – January 5/6, 2014 27.) 10.3” – January 6, 1994 28.) 10.3” – February 1/2, 2011 29.) 10.2” – February 20/21, 2011 30.) 10.1” – January 25-27, 1978 31.) 10.0” – February 4, 1900 32.) 10.0” – December 14, 1922 33.) 9.9” – March 16/17, 1973 34.) 9.5” – March 21/22, 1916 35.) 9.5” – March 19/20, 1883 36.) 9.4” – February 1, 1908 37.) 9.2” – March 26/27, 1934 38.) 9.0” – March 28/29, 1876 39.) 9.0” – December 3, 1893 40.) 9.0” – February 21, 1898 41.) 9.0” – November 15/16, 1932 42.) 9.0” – January 9/10, 1957 43.) 9.0” – December 15/16, 2007 Awesome data.. A lot of your better storms are from the late 19th/early 20th century as well. Not sure what's happened between then and now. If you look at the top 5 only one was in the heart of winter. That tells me the issue is tied to moisture supply and this could be the result of a few things such as elevation. BOTH the airport and city are at a low elevation ( 636 DTW and 625 city to as low as 571 at the river ) vs the surrounding areas ( 800 to just over 1,000 ) be it across the river in Canada, west, nw.. Basically sits in a bowl.. This is Detroit though. The springs were colder back then so yeah it could be tied to that little ice age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thats true...but it doesnt explain why the winters werent uniformly snowier back then as well? A lot of decent winters in that period, but quite a few duds as well. As impressive as the LACK of 12"+ storms is recently is the SURPLUS of 6"+ storms. In no era...not the 1880s or 1970s or anything...can I find a rate of 6"+ storms like we are seeing now. I'm not say it was a primary factor, but at the same time, the depth of the cold air probably allowed for better CAD with the storms when the moisture did come along (see the Great White Hurricane of 1913, that CAD storm on March 1900 that dumped 16" of snow, etc.) The dust bowl for example could help explain what screwed us over during the 1930s - 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Funny how areas just east of here, and points east are feasting on a very snowy winter, and talking about potential records. For here and points west it's basically a more typical winter. Sure it's seems snowy compared to the abysmal winters we saw the previous two years, but so far this is just a typical winter around here, except the lack of big snows. The cold has been impressive, but nothing that's outrageous by any means. I don't think MLI has broken any records in regards to cold this winter as of yet. While areas just east may have a winter to remember this one's looking like a run-of-the-mill type of winter that was colder than normal, yet not really cold enough to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Funny how areas just east of here, and points east are feasting on a very snowy winter, and talking about potential records. For here and points west it's basically a more typical winter. Sure it's seems snowy compared to the abysmal winters we saw the previous two years, but so far this is just a typical winter around here, except the lack of big snows. The cold has been impressive, but nothing that's outrageous by any means. I don't think MLI has broken any records in regards to cold this winter as of yet. While areas just east may have a winter to remember this one's looking like a run-of-the-mill type of winter that was colder than normal, yet not really cold enough to remember. You are having what i did in 2010-11 ( everyone had a historic snowy winter while it was meh here ) and then ofcourse we had the two crappy ones after it. Yes it does suck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 You are having what i did in 2010-11 ( everyone had a historic snowy winter while it was meh here ) and then ofcourse we had the two crappy ones after it. Yes it does suck.. It's definitely considerably better than the last two winters, but it's nothing special at this point in regards to a normal winter. Seems a bit pissy to say that after the last two winters, but compared to areas east....you know. Just west of here Hawkeye has had even less. Western Iowa has really been terrible. If this sub incorporated members from that area this thread would probably be filled with a lot of their posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmett Brown Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Wow. What does it take to get more than an inch in a 24 hour period around here? Now, I don't mind the easy shoveling, but we have just too much dog poo that really needs to be buried already. It seems that we get an inch, and it just gets obliterated by the wind behind the clipper. Grass showing in my yard, and yet the stats say we are near or slightly above normal snowfall. Stat padding indeed... Consider this a formal complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Wow. What does it take to get more than an inch in a 24 hour period around here? Now, I don't mind the easy shoveling, but we have just too much dog poo that really needs to be buried already. It seems that we get an inch, and it just gets obliterated by the wind behind the clipper. Grass showing in my yard, and yet the stats say we are near or slightly above normal snowfall. Stat padding indeed... Consider this a formal complaint. I agree, way too much grass showing where I was near MU considering the amount of snow we've had in January and the cold temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Pretty much my entire yard is covered, but it is thin enough in spots that the grass tips are showing. A lot more grass showing in Kenosha County. Need a wetter snow to cover everything over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Chicago/northern IL and DTW posters shouldn't be allowed to post in here until November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Well this seems like an appropriate thread to post this. I kind of wish the cold/ consistent clipper parade continued. Seeing all the storm threats normally means one thing and thats the high chance that Toronto sees rain. Overall though I know its not realistic to expect this pattern to last. For me this is the longest I can remember in recent history that my area has gone a month and a half without seeing grass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just stretching my arm a little with a few long tosses.... LAF is gonna be 0-1 with this new and "improved" pattern. Hopefully it's not 0-2 by the middle of next week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just stretching my arm a little with a few long tosses.... LAF is gonna be 0-1 with this new and "improved" pattern. Hopefully it's not 0-2 by the middle of next week... Tack on mode. Objective is to break 45" this weekend and then we hope for bigger and better later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Tack on mode. Objective is to break 45" this weekend and then we hope for bigger and better later. Always optimistic. Admirable. But this pattern sucks, so far. I want my clippers back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Always optimistic. Admirable. But this pattern sucks, so far. I want my clippers back. haha I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Always optimistic. Admirable. But this pattern sucks, so far. I want my clippers back. Yeah, I think the end is near. Pattern is about to revert back to normal. Which means RAIN and lots of it coming soon! Starting to hear mentions of more rain than snow for Tue and Wed for Indy.. We shall see how things are going to play out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah, I think the end is near. Pattern is about to revert back to normal. Which means RAIN and lots of it coming soon! Starting to hear mentions of more rain than snow for Tue and Wed for Indy.. We shall see how things are going to play out.. Who's saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah, I think the end is near. Pattern is about to revert back to normal. Which means RAIN and lots of it coming soon! Starting to hear mentions of more rain than snow for Tue and Wed for Indy.. We shall see how things are going to play out.. Who's saying that? lol, a little early for that. Even I wouldn't go that far yet. But if February hits the skids...there certainly is past history of clunkers following big snow months for Indy. That's putting the cart before the horse, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 lol, a little early for that. Even I wouldn't go that far yet. But if February hits the skids...there certainly is past history of clunkers following big snow months for Indy. That's putting the cart before the horse, of course... Yeah I'm just curious. Anything and everything is still on the table but there will probably be an icy transition zone between the rain and snow area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah I'm just curious. Anything and everything is still on the table but there will probably be an icy transition zone between the rain and snow area. I heard it on 6 and 13 earlier this afternoon. They didn't come out and say a full rain event, but trending towards more rain then snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I heard it on 6 and 13 earlier this afternoon. They didn't come out and say a full rain event, but trending towards more rain then snow. Better wait until you hear what Angela has to say...before jumping ship. The local legend here has people stirred up about 3-6" Fri/Sat. I told them it's gonna rain. They didn't believe me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Better wait until you hear what Angela has to say...before jumping ship. The local legend here has people stirred up about 3-6" Fri/Sat. I told them it's gonna rain. They didn't believe me... Looks like he updated...he has the 1-3/3-6 line going right through Tippecanoe county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 BTW, might be some epic meltdowns from the LAF brothers if next week's storm trends toward rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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