oconeexman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 This is a classic cad setup and we know how those goes around here, the spell ice storm more times than not!Actually with the High pushing farther north its not a favorable set up here in the upstate at all. Been there and done that it will have to be in better position than what's modeled today. It possibly could change over the next couple of days but going off today's run I'd say no dice for the upstate.I'll let the CAD experts take over from here they can explain in better detail...Lookout or Cad or one of the gurus feel free to carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgertime Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 So I'm confused. Is everyone totally discounting the Euro now? It's been pretty darn consistent. I haven't looked at the Euro ENS much so maybe it's not showing much of anything. CMC ENS also shows a CAD sig, though not as much as the OP was showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 Shawn, I'm a bit worried about you, my friend! One thing I've learned is not to let the zmonster sense your fear. Ever. Once it knows you would prefer anything but that, if will seek you out. We've got a super cold high, colder than in a good while, we've got the potential for classic cad, meaning reinforced, we've got overrunning, and in waves...so the cards appear to be approaching the table, and it's best you stand firm, chest out, and go, ha, ha, zrain, you don't scare me. Then get you a generator, because it already knows where you stand, and I stand, and they seek me out, and probably will you too, lol. I've actually been wanting a z storm, on the mild side, half inch or so, to shred my trees...been wanting if since 2000, but it's been taunting me, holding back, threatening. I got a small one, with some sleet in 05, and it was great sledding, but no tree top, dead wood shredder, so it's way over due, and like YellowStone, when it blows it will be blowing chunks Soooo...I've been letting it be known how I hate zrain, and don't want it here, in order to bring it on. You, on the other hand, need to hope that high stays north, instead of coming back south on later runs, as I suspect it will, so you need to bluff, and pretend you aren't worried one bit, and that might push the high off you, lol. Naaawwww....it's too late for either of us, if not this time, then the next, or the one after..it's coming!! Just look at the maps... highs and precip as far as the eye can see, lol. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxKnurd Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I'm model watching from Ohio til the 11th, going to be an interesting weekend up here and back home. Like others have said, a classic cad setup has been sorely missed, though with a devastating ice storm possible with this particular one you have to be careful what you wish for. Where the high sets up, strength and how long it stays put will have to be watched carefully (but you already knew that !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Time Sensitive 9:15pm Brad Panovich: Talking #Arctic Oubreak this week across the country with fellow Meteorologists Live.... http://t.co/4plqI4Gxyj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLweather Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Let's please try to remember that this is 6+ days away. Don't hang your hat on anything. But this hasn't been your typical year either. Which freezing rain events are always hard to predict.... but considering the time of year we've already had two "fantasy" events to occur. The amount of zr that has been been dipicted is rather disturbing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADDOGG Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Time Sensitive 9:15pm Brad Panovich: Talking #Arctic Oubreak this week across the country with fellow Meteorologists Live.... http://t.co/4plqI4Gxyj Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 It's nice to have an Arctic Outbreak just to our north and get a cold overrunning rain. I'm pretty sure we will need some blocking to hold that High in place? If you want ICE? And from what I've read not much blocking going on??? I could be wrong again? So I'm not to excited about our chances of major icing event right now! If they still show strong CAD Thursday then I'm all in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKY_WX Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Just taking a peak at the euro ens. Speaking specifically of the areas just east of the apps from the nc foothills up towards roanoke. This would be a .5 to .75 ice accretion event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Just taking a peak at the euro ens. Speaking specifically of the areas just east of the apps from the nc foothills up towards roanoke. This would be a .5 to .75 ice accretion event. I'll take it! lol. By the way IF this occurs when is it suppose to start? I'm going to be in Pigeon Forge this weekend leaving Sunday morning coming home 81 to 77 to Mt.Airy NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Shawn, I'm a bit worried about you, my friend! One thing I've learned is not to let the zmonster sense your fear. Ever. Once it knows you would prefer anything but that, if will seek you out. We've got a super cold high, colder than in a good while, we've got the potential for classic cad, meaning reinforced, we've got overrunning, and in waves...so the cards appear to be approaching the table, and it's best you stand firm, chest out, and go, ha, ha, zrain, you don't scare me. Then get you a generator, because it already knows where you stand, and I stand, and they seek me out, and probably will you too, lol. I've actually been wanting a z storm, on the mild side, half inch or so, to shred my trees...been wanting if since 2000, but it's been taunting me, holding back, threatening. I got a small one, with some sleet in 05, and it was great sledding, but no tree top, dead wood shredder, so it's way over due, and like YellowStone, when it blows it will be blowing chunks Soooo...I've been letting it be known how I hate zrain, and don't want it here, in order to bring it on. You, on the other hand, need to hope that high stays north, instead of coming back south on later runs, as I suspect it will, so you need to bluff, and pretend you aren't worried one bit, and that might push the high off you, lol. Naaawwww....it's too late for either of us, if not this time, then the next, or the one after..it's coming!! Just look at the maps... highs and precip as far as the eye can see, lol. T Great post man! I just really think it's too warm and will stay that way this far South. If I'm wrong well then, "damn the bad luck." is what I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Steve Brule Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Time Sensitive 9:15pm Brad Panovich: Talking #Arctic Oubreak this week across the country with fellow Meteorologists Live.... http://t.co/4plqI4Gxyj Talk about a nerd convention. HA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have 8 100yr old pines 10ft from the house .. Ever see a pine explode in a ice storm? Not pretty! You're very lucky lightening hasn't taken them out at 100ft. A friend of mine's house got hit by that recently.. and it was horrible. Anyway, I along with a couple others are getting a tad off topic. <3 Lets wait for the 00z runs and see what they have to show. 84 hr NAM vs 18Z GFS are worlds apart. Yes; I know it's the 84 HR Nam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Just taking a peak at the euro ens. Speaking specifically of the areas just east of the apps from the nc foothills up towards roanoke. This would be a .5 to .75 ice accretion event. I know some are rooting for this, but that would be quite damaging to the areas that pick up that much ice accretion. I have the generator ready if I need it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You're very lucky lightening hasn't taken them out at 100ft. A friend of mine's house got hit by that recently.. and it was horrible. Anyway, I along with a couple others are getting a tad off topic. <3 Lets wait for the 00z runs and see what they have to show. 84 hr NAM vs 18Z GFS are worlds apart. Yes; I know it's the 84 HR Nam. To the first bolded.....thanks Now that I've moved 2 pages of banter where it belongs, lets keep it on topic folks To the second bolded...... I prefer the DGEX at this range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Does this mean the high will be more south? Back to a colder solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Does this mean the high will be more south? Back to a colder solution? I could be wrong but looks warmer to me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Does this mean the high will be more south? Back to a colder solution? No, looks worse actually. Well worse if you want ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Does this mean the high will be more south? Back to a colder solution? Looks warmer thru 132 looking at MSLP/Precip/850temps map. I'd like to see the soundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullCityWx Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I could be wrong but looks warmer to me so far. Warmer by 3 degrees at my locale at the 850 level at 0z Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 To be expected from the GFS as it is on an island all by itself in regards to the other models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Does this mean the high will be more south? Back to a colder solution? Warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 To be expected from the GFS as it is on an island all by itself in regards to the other models. NOT an attack on you by any means; just a general consensus by me. Maybe the GFS is right, and this won't be so extreme? So many times certain models have been "off their rocker" and their solutions have been true during many Winter events. Funny how we never talk about how much the model of choice weren't off their rockers when they verify and it ends up rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 It means you can take your Ice melt and Ice scrapers back to Lowe's tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 NOT an attack on you by any means; just a general consensus by me. Maybe the GFS is right, and this won't be so extreme? So many times certain models have been "off their rocker" and their solutions have been true during many Winter events. Funny how we never talk about how much the model of choice weren't off their rockers when they verify and it ends up rain. I understand, it's just hard to believe the GFS at this point when the EURO and Canadian agree on something totally different. I guess it's possible GFS scores the coup but I feel that it would be a major upset to score one on the Euro AND Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Frozen precip doesn't make it any further south than the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia this run and even there it's short lived. All rain for everyone south of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Frozen precip doesn't make it any further south than the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia this run and even there it's short lived. All rain for everyone south of there. My guess is CMC and Euro warm up the next few runs also, starting tonight! Hope I'm wrong though!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I understand, it's just hard to believe the GFS at this point when the EURO and Canadian agree on something totally different. I guess it's possible GFS scores the coup but I feel that it would be a major upset to score one on the Euro AND Canadian. I understand your point whole heart.. the GFS has already lost to the Euro earlier this year.. it's due to beat it though.. and the way everything looks synoptically; NC will get ice from what I see. Regardless if the GFS says so or not. How much and how far South is another question. I can say the GFS was showing almost a 2 inch ZR storm here in SC not too long ago. To Hell if that will verify. Definitely expect it in you guy's area though. Just not so extreme so far. The only thing I know about the Canadian is that is has a bias towards being more cold at the surface. So if you take a Euro/CMC blend + GFS.. It still is ice.. but not nearly as brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I understand, it's just hard to believe the GFS at this point when the EURO and Canadian agree on something totally different. I guess it's possible GFS scores the coup but I feel that it would be a major upset to score one on the Euro AND Canadian. CMC support doesn't mean much its way too cold way too often. If the EURO trends 1-2 degrees warmer over the next 5 days then we have a GFS solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 00z gfs took away all my rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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