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Dec 8th - 9th (2nd wave/winter storm discussion)


Zelocita Weather

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Nam shows .50+ precip up to NYC which apears frozen before the changeover.

the key to how much snow we end up with is how fast the precip saturates all the layers and begins reaching the ground - the faster the better if you like snow

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The Nam has gotten colder and has nearly a .5" of precip before the changeover which is like 2-4" at least. I'm not buying that, but an inch or two is definitely on the table. The temperatures are a bit colder than expected and the cloud cover will keep them colder today.

 

You can see the NAM cold bias at work here as the temperatures are already several degrees above the 12z forecast.

 

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS

CENTRAL PARK CLOUDY 32 14 47 NE9 30.61S WCI 24

LAGUARDIA APRT CLOUDY 32 15 49 NE9 30.59F WCI 24

KENNEDY INTL CLOUDY 33 15 47 NE10 30.60F WCI 25

NEWARK/LIBERTY CLOUDY 31 16 54 N7 30.59F WCI 24

TETERBORO CLOUDY 32 15 49 N3 30.59F

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Umm.  Not the way I see it.  The NAM has most of Northern New Jersey down for about 5 inches of snow and the GFS has Northern New Jersey down for a dusting to an inch.  Not exactly the same.

 

12z gfs got much more juicy for c nj.....25"+ and a solid area of mod snow from rt. 78 south.... Huge move to the nam...both models very similar at this point

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Misleading as your just pointing out near the coast.  In PA, its spot on and even too warm in spots that are not seeing snow too.  A few degrees off at the coast is expected in the models.

You can see the NAM cold bias at work here as the temperatures are already several degrees above the 12z forecast.

 

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
CENTRAL PARK CLOUDY 32 14 47 NE9 30.61S WCI 24
LAGUARDIA APRT CLOUDY 32 15 49 NE9 30.59F WCI 24
KENNEDY INTL CLOUDY 33 15 47 NE10 30.60F WCI 25
NEWARK/LIBERTY CLOUDY 31 16 54 N7 30.59F WCI 24
TETERBORO CLOUDY 32 15 49 N3 30.59F
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think your a bit too fast and also missing some sleet as well. will see how it plays out though.  Im also not convinced the gfs is as right as some say here.  It may be too dry and not handling any meso banding thta could occur.

It should be just south of BLM by 7 pm and through the South Shore LI between 9-10 pm.

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think your a bit too fast and also missing some sleet as well. will see how it plays out though.  Im also not convinced the gfs is as right as some say here.  It may be too dry and not handling any meso banding thta could occur.

 

I think we change to sleet first. The HRRR keeps a sharp-cut off this afternoon around I-78 too.

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Upton

 

MONITORING UPSTREAM OBS CLOSELY TO SEE THEIR QPF OVER THE NEXT FEW
HOURS TO SEE IF SNOW AMOUNT FORECAST NEEDS TO BE INCREASED. THERE
IS POSSIBILITY FOR FORECAST SNOW AMOUNTS TO INCREASE 1-2 INCHES
WITH SUBSEQUENTLY A POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF WINTER WX ADVISORY.

 

 

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think your a bit too fast and also missing some sleet as well. will see how it plays out though.  Im also not convinced the gfs is as right as some say here.  It may be too dry and not handling any meso banding thta could occur.

 

I count the mix with sleet as the beginning of the changeover making the South Shore beaches by 10 pm as the

models may be underestimating the warming at 850-800 with the strong SW LLJ. The GFS has a nice sleet profile

into Central Jersey around 0z on the leading edge of the strong SW LLJ.

 

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