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Dec 8th - 9th (2nd wave/winter storm discussion)


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Once again the NAM is gonna play with peoples emotions...  lol @ hr 84

 

I don't totally buy it because the upper level setup is very sketchy but the GFS ensemble support as well as the NAM being that far west at the very least means there may be something along I95 and south and east...the NOGAPS was actually less suppressed than the GEM and Euro at 00Z with it as well...the everchanging nature of Sunday's storm is likely impacting the outcome of this potential event and the fact the Sunday storm continues to become more overrunning induced vs. primary/secondary low induced as it once it appeared it would be is probably allowing this threat for Tuesday/Wednesday to become a possibility...sometimes losing out on one storm can help with the next.  Tonight's system was not modeled well either as precip mostly shut off 4-5 hours before nearly all guidance other than the HRRR suggested, all these systems riding the heels of the other are likely mucking things up right now.

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Do you think the OKX and BOX forecast area could be under winter storm watches / warnings for Tuesday into Wednesday ?? I think we have a 20-25 percent chance at 5-7 inches with isolated 8 inch amounts for a good portion of the I-95 corridor on Tuesday.  I am also wondering if the 12/16 ? event is becoming more of a Miller B Snowstorm with coastal areas getting a potential 9-12 inch snowfall.  I am liking the trends on the GFS and EURO. I think we are loosing the 12/8-9 event for potentially 2 moderate/moderately strong winter events to inland areas, and likely to the coast. Slight chance of something big and plowable soon.  I think after 12/16 we get into a more 35-45 degree high pattern, and risk a cutter. Wonder if we get an epic and historical Jan/Feb period.... Questions to be answered much later.  Any insights would be appreciated.

 

 

Back to the 12/8-9 event. For NYC and LI, think 1-2 hours of light snow/sleet, going to rain quickly with early temps of 32-34 around 8 PM rising slowly and steadily to 44-45 by 7 AM Monday morning.  Should stay around 40-45 all day on Monday.

 

My guess on NYC highs for next 5 Days

 

12/7 41 F

12/8 36 F

12/9 46 F

12/10 33 F

12/11 27 F

 

Likely stays below freezing until next Weekend or the Monday following.

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Do you think the OKX and BOX forecast area could be under winter storm watches / warnings for Tuesday into Wednesday ?? I think we have a 20-25 percent chance at 5-7 inches with isolated 8 inch amounts for a good portion of the I-95 corridor on Tuesday.  I am also wondering if the 12/16 ? event is becoming more of a Miller B Snowstorm with coastal areas getting a potential 9-12 inch snowfall.  I am liking the trends on the GFS and EURO. I think we are loosing the 12/8-9 event for potentially 2 moderate/moderately strong winter events to inland areas, and likely to the coast. Slight chance of something big and plowable soon.  I think after 12/16 we get into a more 35-45 degree high pattern, and risk a cutter. Wonder if we get an epic and historical Jan/Feb period.... Questions to be answered much later.  Any insights would be appreciated.

 

 

Back to the 12/8-9 event. For NYC and LI, think 1-2 hours of light snow/sleet, going to rain quickly with early temps of 32-34 around 8 PM rising slowly and steadily to 44-45 by 7 AM Monday morning.  Should stay around 40-45 all day on Monday.

 

My guess on NYC highs for next 5 Days

 

12/7 41 F

12/8 36 F

12/9 46 F

12/10 33 F

12/11 27 F

 

Likely stays below freezing until next Weekend or the Monday following.

the 6Z GFS OP is a miss south and east  - don't know what the ensembles show at 6Z yet . I think the models and us will have a better idea tomorrow night after this second wave is over us about what will happen with the 3rd wave Tuesday. Another interesting development on the GFS the last couple of runs is next weekends storm - that could be the one that has some potential to be significant at least especially if the indicies cooperate

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I would take an inch at this point... However I think we've gotten spoiled the last 2 years with early season snowstorms and decent follow up winters...on average it's usually rare to see even a few inches as early as December IMO

 

I average over 50" a yr on this side of the county.. Not sure how its rare to even see a few inches in December. This isn't the immediate coast

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My average according to NWS is 36.9 here in Orange County so ur lucky...and I can probably count on 1 hand the number of significant December snowstorms my area has gotten with the exception of the past few years early season storms

 

New Windsor is a snow hole for the county. Very little elevation but regardless 36.9" seems a bit low though. I would say you are in the 40-43" range

 

Out of curiosity how old are you?  I remember 10 or so yrs ago where we went on a 3-4 yr streak of early Dec snows.

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Their numbers are wrong...most of Orange County averages a minimum of 45" of snow per average year and the bulk of the area is over 50".

I'm sorry but I've lived in orange my whole life and that's incorrect... If I have any data to back that up i would like to see it cause everything I've ever saw/ read has most of Orange County my in the general 30-40 with the exception of far northeast orange at right around 50

I'll references NOAAS annual snowfall map

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I'm sorry but I've lived in orange my whole life and that's incorrect... If I have any data to back that up i would like to see it cause everything I've ever saw/ read has most of Orange County my in the general 30-40 with the exception of far northeast orange at right around 50

I'll references NOAAS annual snowfall map

 

What? lol..  far northeast corner? What? smh..  

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I'm 25

 

95% of Orange county averages 43-45" of snow. Most of the county sits at 400-500' elevation which is higher than most of New Windsor. Areas like Monroe/Highland Mills/Harriman average over 50", Areas out here on the west side of the county near the Shawangunk Ridge average over 50". New Windsor & Newburgh probably averaged the least in the county and thats the northeast corner you speak of.

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That map is extremely inaccurate

Would u mind posting an accurate map that you seem to be getting your references from or the site your getting your info off of please...cause I've only lived in new windsor 1 year.. I also lived in Middletown, and highland falls and rarely saw 50" inches of snow at an annual average

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Would u mind posting an accurate map that you seem to be getting your references from or the site your getting your info off of please...cause I've only lived in new windsor 1 year.. I also lived in Middletown, and highland falls and rarely saw 50" inches of snow at an annual average

 

Lets take it into the NW forum please. 

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