LizardMafia Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Returned from Oregon just in time for the first hopefully decent snowfall of the season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 NAM took a considerable jog north on the 12z run. Throws out some very high snow totals for central Indiana with 6"+ amounts east into Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Trends looking better around here. 1-2" looks likely and it gets more interesting with any additional northward shifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Looks like some good banding potential with this so there could be narrow zones that go well over 6" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbondaleWX Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Really heavy sleet coming down in Southern Illinois. Roads are ridiculous already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Really heavy sleet coming down in Southern Illinois. Roads are ridiculous already. Some of the model output is pretty impressive with sleet amounts...like 1" qpf as sleet. That is close to what we had here with GHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 we're light on posters from the area so carbondale needs to keep the obs (pics?) coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue60007 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Trends looking better around here. 1-2" looks likely and it gets more interesting with any additional northward shifts. IND bumped our zones to 3-4". Warning just a county away now. Seems reasonable based on current radar trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 we're light on posters from the area so carbondale needs to keep the obs (pics?) coming. I tend to lurk, have been wondering why this thread is so dead with so many active on the forums lately. 900 online at this moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 IND bumped our zones to 3-4". Warning just a county away now. Seems reasonable based on current radar trends. Nice last minute turnaround if it pans out. This was looking dead in the water for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 IND has 10-11" in some of the southern zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 curious, anyone see what the euro was showing on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 NAM has all of IN in .1 or greater now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 NAM has all of IN in .1 or greater now Untitled.jpg believe it or not, it actually simmered down a bit from it's 12z run, a little colder too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 believe it or not, it actually simmered down a bit from it's 12z run, a little colder too. Actually snowfall totals are higher on the 18z NAM from the 12z run. There is a stripe of 12-18" from southeast IL through southern IN through central OH. 12z NAM barely got to 12" in a couple spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Actually snowfall totals are higher on the 18z NAM from the 12z run. There is a stripe of 12-18" from southeast IL through southern IN through central OH. 12z NAM barely got to 12" in a couple spots. For a change I'm actually hoping this doesn't verify. Too much to shovel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansvilleAce Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Heavy freezing rain and sleet just started....lets see how much we actually get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Heavy freezing rain and sleet just started....lets see how much we actually get Welcome! Keep us posted on the conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 ILN upped snowfall from 4-7 to 5-8" with the usual locally higher amounts possible. URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH350 PM EST THU DEC 5 2013INZ050-058-059-OHZ042-051>053-060>062-060500-/O.CON.KILN.WS.W.0005.131206T0300Z-131207T0600Z/WAYNE-FAYETTE IN-UNION IN-DARKE-MIAMI-CHAMPAIGN-CLARK-PREBLE-MONTGOMERY-GREENE-INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...RICHMOND...CONNERSVILLE...LIBERTY...GREENVILLE...PIQUA...URBANA...SPRINGFIELD...EATON...DAYTON...XENIA350 PM EST THU DEC 5 2013...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENINGTO 1 AM EST SATURDAY...* LOCATIONS...SOUTHEAST INDIANA AND SOUTHWEST OHIO.* HAZARD TYPES...RAIN WILL CHANGE TO A MIX OF FREEZING RAIN ANDSLEET THIS EVENING AND THEN TO SNOW LATE TONIGHT. SNOW WILLCONTINUE INTO FRIDAY...LIKELY BECOMING HEAVY AT TIMES.* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 5 TO 8 INCHES...WITH ICEACCUMULATIONS UP TO A TENTH OF INCH. LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS WILLBE POSSIBLE.* TIMING...RAIN WILL TRANSITION TO A WINTRY MIX OF SLEET ANDFREEZING RAIN TONIGHT. PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOWEARLY FRIDAY...LIKELY BECOMING HEAVY AT TIMES.* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED DUE TOREDUCED VISIBILITIES AND SNOW ACCUMULATIONS.PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...REMEMBER...A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHERCONDITIONS ARE IMMINENT OR HIGHLY LIKELY. STAY TUNED TO NOAAWEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF WEATHER INFORMATION FORTHE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS CAN ALSO BE FOUND ATWWW.WEATHER.GOV/ILN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just went from rain to a mixed bag including ice south of Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 ILN with a very detailed AFD. AREA FORECAST DISCUSSIONNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH328 PM EST THU DEC 5 2013.SYNOPSIS...WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT THE OHIO VALLEY BEGINNING THIS EVENINGAND CONTINUING THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING. HEAVY MIXED WINTERPRECIPITATION WILL SLOWLY TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW BEFORE ENDINGFRIDAY EVENING. SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE LIKELY FROMSOUTHERN INDIANA INTO CENTRAL OHIO...AND A BAND OF GLAZE ICEACCUMULATION TOPPED BY A FEW INCHES OF SNOW WILL BE LIKELY ALONGAND SOUTH OF THE OHIO RIVER IN KENTUCKY INTO PARTS OF SOUTHCENTRAL OHIO. HEAVY...POTENTIALLY FLOODING RAIN...WILL IMPACTPARTS OF EASTERN KENTUCKY INTO SOUTHEAST OHIO. IT WILL MOSTCERTAINLY BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE 60 DEGREE TEMPERATURESSEEN OVER PARTS OF THE AREA IN THE PAST FEW DAYS. YET ANOTHERWINTER SYSTEM WILL BRING MORE POTENTIAL FOR MIXED-PHASEPRECIPITATION BEGINNING SUNDAY AND LINGERING INTO MONDAY ACROSSMUCH OF THE AREA. THAT SYSTEM LOOKS TO HAVE LESS MOISTUREAVAILABLE TO WORK WITH...BUT MAY STILL HAMPER TRAVEL OVER THE OHIOVALLEY. &&.NEAR TERM /THROUGH FRIDAY/...LIKE WITH MANY SIGNIFICANT WINTER SYSTEMS IN THE OHIO VALLEY...THEBOTTOM LINE IS A HIGH-CONFIDENCE HEAVY PRECIPITATION EVENT FOR THEAREA...BUT LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE WAVY/WAFFLING TRANSITION ZONE ASARCTIC AIR SEEPS INTO THE AREA AND IMPINGES ON A VERY ATYPICALLYWARM AIRMASS. SO WHILE WE FEEL CERTAIN ON MANY AREAS SEEING A GOODAMOUNT OF WINTRY PRECIPITATION...THE AMOUNTS OF EACH INDIVIDUALTYPE ARE PARTICULARLY LOW CONFIDENCE...AND FOR THIS STORM...THATLOW CONFIDENCE ZONE IS CENTERED SQUARELY ON THE I-71 CORRIDORINCLUDING CINCINNATI...WILMINGTON...AND COLUMBUS.LATEST OBSERVATIONAL TRENDS INDICATE COLD FRONT HAS EXITED THE WFOILN FORECAST AREA TO THE EAST. BAND OF RAIN/STORMS ACCOMPANYINGTHIS HAS SHIFTED EAST...AND ALREADY BEGINNING TO SEE IMPACT OFINCREASING DEEP-LAYERED FRONTOGENESIS /FGEN/ AS RAIN/MIX ISDEVELOPING TO OUR WEST/SOUTHWEST AND SPREADING DOWNSTREAM TOWARDTHE AREA. SFC TEMPS HAVE DROPPED BELOW FREEZING ACROSS WRN INDWHERE FZRA HAS RECENTLY BEEN REPORTED. WHILE MUCH OF THIS UPCOMINGEVENT WILL BE DRIVEN BY THERMODYNAMICS /FGEN FORCING IN RIGHTENTRANCE REGION OF INCREASING UPPER LEVEL JET/...THERE IS A SUBTLEMID LEVEL WAVE SEEN IN WV/IR LOOPS THIS AFTERNOON OVER OK/KSSPREADING QUICKLY DOWNSTREAM TOWARD THE AREA. BUT UNLIKE MOSTSIGNIFICANT WINTER WEATHER SYSTEMS...THIS SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE ADEEPENING/CLOSING OFF 700-500MB CYCLONE OR PV-DRIVEN FORCING...BUTIT DOES HAVE AN EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE MID/UPPER LEVEL JET /UP TO180KTS AT 250MB BY 18Z FRIDAY OVER ONTARIO/ AS THE MASSIVE/COLDLONGWAVE TROUGH WHICH HAS BEEN CENTERED TO OUR WEST IMPINGES ONTHE STOUT/STUBBORN/WARM SUBTROPICAL RIDGE OVER THE FAR SOUTHEAST.THE HEIGHT GRADIENT COMPRESSION IS HELPING DRIVE THE INTENSIFYINGJET...AND FGEN FIELDS OVER A DEEP LAYER REALLY RESPOND THISEVENING THROUGH FRIDAY AHEAD/DOWNSTREAM OF THE WEAK FEATUREEJECTING OUT OF THE PLAINS. THUS...EXPECT WAVES/BANDS OFPRECIPITATION TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND PUSH ACROSS THE AREATONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING...WITH DEFINITE PERIODS OF MOREINTENSE PRECIPITATION AS THE INDIVIDUAL FGEN REGIONS TRANSLATETHROUGH THE FLOW.OF COURSE ALL OF THIS PRECIPITATION FORCING IS OCCURRING AS THEAIRMASS COOLS SLOWLY WITH MODIFIED ARCTIC AIR SEEPING IN. NOTSURPRISINGLY...A LITTLE FASTER AT THE SURFACE DUE TO THE DENSITYOF THE LOW LEVEL AIRMASS...AND THUS THE LIKELIHOOD OF A NARROWRIBBON OF SLEET/FREEZING RAIN. AND UNFORTUNATELY...AS THAT WEAKWAVE TO OUR SOUTHWEST MOVES IN...THIS TRANSITION ZONE SLOWS/STALLSAND WAFFLES RIGHT OVER THE AREA...AND LENDS TO A MUCH LOWEREDCONFIDENCE IN DETERMINISTIC WINTER PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS.THE BIGGEST CHANGE SEEN IN DETERMINISTIC NWP ON 05.12Z RUNS WAS ASHIFT IN NCEP GUIDANCE /NAM AND GFS/ TO A SLOWER SEEP OF COLDERAIR ALOFT /OR IN OTHER WORDS A LONGER DURATION OF FREEZING RAINPOTENTIAL/. NON-NCEP GUIDANCE /ECMWF...CMCREG...CMCGLB/ HAVE NOTWAVERED IN ALLOWING COLDER AIR TO SEEP IN A SHIFT THIS ALL TOSNOW. SO CHANGES IN TODAY/S FORECAST WERE A NOD TOWARD NCEPGUIDANCE AND ALLOW MORE POTENTIAL FOR GLAZE-ICE ACCUMULATION VIAFREEZING RAIN...ESPECIALLY ALONG AND JUST EAST OF I-71 INCLUDINGCINCINNATI...WILMINGTON...AND AREAS SOUTH OF COLUMBUS. INFACT...TAKEN VERBATIM...THE 05.12Z NAM WOULD ARGUE FOR SIGNIFICANT/HIGH-IMPACT ICING IN THIS CORRIDOR. POSSIBLE...YES...BUT THIS WASA SHIFT IN CONTINUITY FOR THE NAM...AND REALLY HAS VERY LITTLESUPPORT FROM THE OTHER GUIDANCE. THE 05.12Z GFS SITS AT A VERYNICE MIDDLE-ROAD...BETWEEN THE NAM AND MUCH COLDER NON-NCEPGUIDANCE. THUS USED GFS THERMAL PROFILES TWEAKED A BIT COLDER TOFIT IT SQUARELY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 05.12Z DETERMINISTIC NWPENVELOPE...NOT NEARLY AS "ICE STORM" LOOKING AS THE NAM...BUT NOTNEARLY AS "ALL SNOW" AS THE CMC/ECMWF. PERHAPS NOTSURPRISINGLY...THE THERMAL FIELDS OF THE GFS ALIGN CLOSELY WITH THE05.09Z SREF MEAN. TOUGH FORECAST...WHEN THE GAMUT FROM SIGNIFICANTSNOW (6-10") OR SIGNIFICANT ICE (0.25"-0.50") ROUGHLY AREJUXTAPOSED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AMONG GUIDANCE...AND SEPARATION OFSAID DISCREPANCIES IS NO MORE THAN A TIER OR TWO OF COUNTIES. COBBTECHNIQUES RUN AT CINCINNATI BEAR THIS OUT...FORECASTING 0.75" ICEACCUMULATION AND 3" SNOW /NAM/ TO 0.50" ICE AND 9" OF SNOW/GFS/...TO VERY LITTLE ICE AND 6"+ SNOW /ECMWF/. THUS...IT GOESWITHOUT SAYING THAT GRADIENTS IN MY FORECAST TODAY ARE LIKELYOFF...BUT REPRESENT THE CONSENSUS OF SFC AND LOW LEVEL THERMALFIELDS. FORECAST DETAILS STILL APT TO SHIFT.THE 05.12Z GFS FORECAST SOUNDINGS SUGGEST PRECIPITATION SPREADINGIN THIS EVENING WILL MIX/CHANGE TO SLEET/FREEZING RAIN IN THE WESTBY MID EVENING AND SPREAD INTO THE I-71 CORRIDOR NEAR OR JUSTAFTER MIDNIGHT. A FAIRLY RAPID CHANGE TO SNOW IS EXPECTED FAR WESTINCLUDING SERN IND/WCNTL OH AS COLD AIR DRIVES IN...BUT SOUNDINGS"STALL" THE EROSION OF WARM AIR ALOFT THROUGH ABOUT 18Z IN THEI-71 CORRIDOR LATE TONIGHT INTO MUCH OF FRIDAY MORNING...EVENCONSIDERING WET BULB PROCESSES...MAINTAINING A PARTIALLY MELTINGELEVATED WARM LAYER UP TO 1.5C...LIKELY NOT WARM ENOUGH FORCOMPLETE MELTING /AND THUS A HIGHER FZRA THREAT/. CROSS SECTIONSNORMAL TO THICKNESSES IN THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE JETSUGGEST A SLOPED REGION OF STRONG FGEN ACROSS THE AREA TONIGHTTHROUGH FRIDAY...INDICATING TRANSIENT BANDS OF HEAVIER PCPN...ANDSOME QUITE HEAVY LIKELY FRIDAY CONSIDERING AMPLE/DEEP NEGATIVESATURATED GEOSTROPHIC POTENTIAL VORTICITY ATOP THE FGEN FORCINGREGION AND VERTICAL MOTION MAXIMUM. THIS SUGGESTS THE POTENTIALRELEASE OF SLANTWISE INSTBY BY FGEN CIRCULATIONS. STILL SEEING TWODISTINCT PERIODS OF HEAVIER PRECIPITATION POTENTIAL...ONETONIGHT...AND ONE LATE FRIDAY MORNING INTO TOMORROW AFTERNOON...THELATTER OF WHICH WILL DRIVE MOST OF THE WINTRY ACCUMS...AND MAYINCLUDE 1"/HR SNOW RATES FM SERN IND UP THROUGH THE DAYTON AREA TOWEST OF CMH.SO THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR BOTH A BAND OF HEAVY SNOWFALL /6-10"/FROM SRN IND INTO WCNTL OH...AND A BAND OF HEAVY MIXEDSLEET/FREEZING RAIN/SNOW ALONG THE I-71 CORRIDOR. SOUNDINGS LOOKAWFULLY SLEETY IN THIS CORRIDOR...BUT WE/RE IN THE NOISE LEVEL OFMODEL ACCURACY IN TERMS OF THE ELEVATED WARM LAYER WHERE A DEGREEEITHER DIRECTION COULD CHANGE THE NAME OF THE GAME...SO THERE COULDBE SIGNIFICANT SNOW OR SIGNIFICANT GLAZE ICE IN THIS REGION TOO.JUST TOO TOUGH TO TELL. FURTHER EAST IT APPEARS THE WAVERING NATUREOF THE THERMAL ZONE WILL ALLOW MUCH OF THE PRECIP TO FALL ASRAIN...AND THIS AREA MAY NEED SOME FLOOD HEADLINES AS WE SEE THISEVOLVE. THERE IS LIKELY TO BE A STRONG GRADIENT OF WINTER ACCUMSACROSS NERN KY INTO SCNTL OH...AND HAVE TRIED TO GRADIENT THIS ASBEST AS POSSIBLE IN GRIDDED FORECAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Looks like about 7 inches of system snow yesterday. Then after I got home it mixed with freezing rain. The roads were just awful. I spun the front wheels on my 4x4 a few times navigating the hills here. The school bus got stuck right in front of my house. Luckily, someone was coming by and had a plow on their truck. They plowed a path and the bus was able to get going. Then today the Bay field bomber hit us. Snowing like crazy all day. The plows can't keep up with it. A big semi got stuck in Houghton going up the hill by Econo Foods. But he finally drove the truck forward enough to get the back tire on some sand and he got going. I have seen it so bad up that hill they had to pull the semi's up the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman_ind Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 had rain and sleet earlier, then big snow flakes, and now it's sleet and smaller snowflakes, with perhaps some freezing rain thrown in on sw side of Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mixed bag changing over to light to moderate snow with ice. Flakes are starting to increase in size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvansvilleAce Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Roads still wet but all surfaces are ice glazed...snow starting to mix in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Been Frz rain/Sleet here since about Noon. Roads are treacherous as reported by IDOT in Jackson, Perry, and Jefferson co where heavier precip has fell. Roads here in town are hazardous and hope for a snow changeover soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman_ind Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 back to fzra with a little sleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterimage Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Lotta sleet here, just got back from my son's meeting...car frozen in rain though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*IndyMeso* Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Not a whole lot here in Noblesville right now. Had some brief sleet and rain but no snow as of yet. We shall wait and see. Edit: now changed over to snow. Very light but a few flakes are flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 An inch isn't much, but it would still be a quite a bust up here if the 18z NAM verified, since LOT has us with 20% POPs for tomorrow with the afternoon package. Of course, the 0z NAM shunted the precip shield back south significantly, so it's probably safe to assume it was just a fluke for us NW IN people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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