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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
154 AM EST FRI NOV 29 2013

VALID 12Z MON DEC 02 2013 - 12Z FRI DEC 06 2013

...PATTERN OVERVIEW WITH MODEL/UNCERTAINTY ASSESSMENT AND SENSIBLE
WEATHER HIGHLIGHTS...

GUIDANCE OFFERS GREATER THAN NORMAL FORECAST SPREAD AND
UNCERTAINTY EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH THE HANDLING OF MID-UPPER LEVEL
IMPULSE ENERGY PROGRESSING SEWD FROM THE CENTRAL TO ERN US

THESE EMBEDDED FEATURES IN RELATIVE LOW AMPLITUDE FLOW HAVE BEEN
DEPICTED QUITE INCONSISTENTLY FROM RUN TO RUN WITH BOTH FOCUS AND
TIMING EVEN AT THESE RELATIVELY SHORT TIME FRAMES...BUT WITH THE
REGION WITHIN AN OVERALL COLLAPSING HEIGHT FIELD WITH PASSAGE. 
AMID UNCERTAINTY ALOFT...A NEAR COMPOSITE SOLUTION WOULD FAVOR
SOME COLD AIR INTRUSION AND SPURTS OF COLD SEASON PCPN ACROSS THE
EAST-CENTRAL US ALONG WITH POSSIBLE ENHANCEMENT FROM MODEST SE
US/MID-ATLANTIC TO OFF NEW ENG COASTAL LOW GENESIS


FORECAST SPREAD ALOFT AND UNCERTAINTY SEEMS LESS UPSTREAM FROM THE
PACIFIC AND ALASKA INTO THE WRN US...ACTUALLY EVEN AT LONGER TIMES
FRAMES INTO LATE NEXT WEEK. STRONG FLOW AMPLIFICATION ACROSS THE
EAST-CENTRAL PACIFIC COMMON TO GUIDANCE LEADS TO SIGNIFICANT
MID-UPPER LEVEL RIDGE BUILDING UP INTO ALASKA AND AMPLE AND
DOWNSTREAM TROUGH AMPLIFICATION AND COLDER TEMPS DOWN ACROSS THE
ENTIRE WRN US/ROCKIES NEXT WEEK...ALONG WITH A GOOD SWATH OF
WINTER PCPN SHIFTING SEWD ACROSS THE WEST AS FURTHER ENHANCED
LOCALLY WITH FAVORED TERRAIN/UPSLOPE. LARGER MODEL DIFFERENCES
BECOME MORE EVIDENT AT LOWER LEVELS WITH SPECIFICS OF COLD AIR
SURGES AND LEAD LOW GENESIS MID-LATER NEXT WEEK THAT SPILL OUT
THROUGH S-CENTRAL CANADA AND THE CENTRAL TO EAST-CENTRAL US. 
INCREASING GULF MOISTURE INFLOW INTO/AHEAD OF A COMPLEX FRONTAL
STRUCTURE WOULD FAVOR AN EMERGING LEAD RAINFALL PATTERN AND
WARMING TEMPS INTO LATE NEXT WEEK...BUT ALSO SOME WINTER PCPN
POTENTIAL ON THE NW PERIPHERY OF THE OVERALL PCPN SHIELD IN AN
AMPLIFYING PATTERN.

OVERALL...THE WPC MEDIUM RANGE GUIDANCE SUITE WAS PRIMARILY
DERIVED FROM A 50-50 BLEND OF REASONABLY COMPATABLE GUIDANCE FROM
THE 18 UTC GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN AND 12 UTC ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN 
IN AN
EFFORT KEEP EMPHASIS ON THE MOST PREDICTABLE FORECAST COMPONENTS
WHILE MINIMIZING ERROR AND ESPECIALLY RUN TO RUN FORECAST VARIANCE
INSTEAD OF CHASING MORE DETERMINISTIC MODEL OPTIONS.

SCHICHTEL
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Just a quick post, new to the forum... Have been following for many years and was a long time member of NYCmetro looking for some new thoughts... Hope everyone's thanksgiving was well

Welcome aboard again - what are your thoughts on this possible event ?

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12z GFS gets to yesterdays 12z Euro .

 

For coastal interests , it will come down to rates - 850`s are minus 1  ,   the winds are NORTH this time , not East

so rates will cool BL . " if " this track is right 4 days out .

There's really no cold air left. As you say, it would have to do it on dynamics, and even then, chances of any significant accumulation are extremely slim.

WX/PT

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This is looking ok for you guys away from the coast. The coastal plain just can't hold the cold air.

It's just not the pattern right for it yet

We should have north winds though so I wouldn't discount the whole system yet at this range, if there even is a storm to begin with.

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We should have north winds though so I wouldn't discount the whole system yet at this range, if there even is a storm to begin with.

Yes the winds are northeast in ths set up however now 850s are plus 1 or 2. Not minus 1 so the column isn't cold.

Hard enough to overcome a bad BL without good precip rates. But if the mid levels are warm then we rain.

Can we change over sure. But I thnk those details are 4 days out

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