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NNE Winter 2013-14 Part I

klw

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mreaves

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Ended up with about an inch, as we had more come through after the squall around 4:30. Was 2° when I left this morning. As far as this weekend, I am fine with a few inches and not a big dump. I like the cold freezing the ground and water before we get deep snow. Would also like to see some snow with some body. This fluffy powder does not pack well for snowmobile trails.

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J.Spin

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Event totals: 1.9” Snow/0.06” L.E.

 

Yesterday’s event was done by this morning, with an additional 0.8” on the snowboard.

 

Details from the 6:00 A.M. Waterbury observations:

 

New Snow: 0.8 inches

New Liquid: 0.04 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 20.0

Snow Density: 5.0% H2O

Temperature: 7.0 F

Sky: Cloudy

Snow at the stake: 3.0 inches

 

With this latest event completed, I’ve put together the north to south listing of available snowfall totals from the Vermont ski areas; shown first are the overnight totals, and then 48 or 72-hour totals follow if available:

 

Jay Peak: 2”/6”

Smuggler’s Notch: 4”

Stowe: 4”/6”

Bolton Valley: 2”/4”

Mad River Glen: 6”/10”

Sugarbush: 5”/8”

Pico: 1”/2”

Killington: 1”/2”

Okemo: 2”/2”

Bromley: 1”/2”

Magic Mountain: T

Stratton: 1”/7”

Mount Snow: 3”

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eyewall

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For this weekend, the 12z GFS looks a little better than 6z, with around 0.4 QPF for most. Taken verbatim, and with good ratios minus dry air, that would be a 3-6" event, perhaps 2-4 in the CPV. For kicks the GFS clown map has a 6"+ depth when it ends for almost all of VT and NH. The 12z Euro is rolling now (http://www.eurowx.com has a no strings attached 7 day trial and is $7.95 a month after that for the lower 48). 

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ctsnowstorm628

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For this weekend, the 12z GFS looks a little better than 6z, with around 0.4 QPF for most. Taken verbatim, and with good ratios minus dry air, that would be a 3-6" event, perhaps 2-4 in the CPV. For kicks the GFS clown map has a 6"+ depth when it ends for almost all of VT and NH. The 12z Euro is rolling now (http://www.eurowx.com has a no strings attached 7 day trial and is $7.95 a month after that for the lower 48). 

Euro MOS has the following QPF values (0.10" more than 0z, 0.15" more than 12z yesterday for most).

 

BTV-0.52"

MVL-0.43"

LEB-0.54"

1V4-0.35"

LEW- 0.58"

PLY- 0.49"

 

Looks like 6+ for most outside of my area per Euro.

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dryslot

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Euro MOS has the following QPF values (0.10" more than 0z, 0.15" more than 12z yesterday for most).

 

BTV-0.52"

MVL-0.43"

LEB-0.54"

1V4-0.35"

LEW- 0.58"

PLY- 0.49"

 

Looks like 6+ for most outside of my area per Euro.

 

Thanks Ed, Looks like a 6-10", 8-12" deal possibly here verbatim

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eyewall

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Euro MOS has the following QPF values (0.10" more than 0z, 0.15" more than 12z yesterday for most).

 

BTV-0.52"

MVL-0.43"

LEB-0.54"

1V4-0.35"

LEW- 0.58"

PLY- 0.49"

 

Looks like 6+ for most outside of my area per Euro.

 

Yep looking at the Euro now and definitely more robust on this run. For fun the Euro clown map would have us in the 8-10"

range.

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powderfreak

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Yep looking at the Euro now and definitely more robust on this run. For fun the Euro clown map would have us in the 8-10"

range.

Watching TWC at the gym and their map just had 5-8" for all of NNE and upstate NY, with an 8-12" band from the southeast Adirondacks through central/southern VT, S/C NH, and most of Maine coastal plain and foothills.

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eyewall

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Watching TWC at the gym and their map just had 5-8" for all of NNE and upstate NY, with an 8-12" band from the southeast Adirondacks through central/southern VT, S/C NH, and most of Maine coastal plain and foothills.

 

I'll take 5-8 any day of the week and be happy with it :)

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powderfreak

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and btw-what is the mansfield stake at???

SB reported over a foot this week. Little more tomorrow and then saturday night and we may get to the magical 24" level. I understand this is very light snow, but we are definitely getting close to game on for woods.

Magical 24" level? I usually don't touch the woods till 40"...I always thought that was the rule?

This week's snow was all fluff...looks like SB/MRG area got the most, but the telling fact is that MRG is saying they don't have enough snow to open this weekend even with all the fluff this week. If MRG can't even open, we are still a while from being in the woods.

I've seen people going into the woods but it's pretty dumb right now if you ask me. We reported 3-4" last night and the groomers thought 4-6", but we've got a good thing going with the locals and them thinking we are under-playing it (we were even called out on the latest Meathead webisode from an event last year where we officially said 12" but it was far more than that, lol)...but it's all fluffy snow that at the end of the day doesn't do much of anything to the base.

I'd wait until the ski areas have a good deal of natural snow terrain open, at least. If you don't have enough snow to open trails without trees, debris, deadfall, etc, probably don't have enough to do the woods where all that exists.

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dryslot

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HWO seems reasonable at this point.....

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOKNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAY ME232 PM EST THU DEC 12 2013MEZ007>009-012>014-018>028-NHZ001>010-013-014-131945-NORTHERN OXFORD-NORTHERN FRANKLIN-CENTRAL SOMERSET-SOUTHERN OXFORD-SOUTHERN FRANKLIN-SOUTHERN SOMERSET-INTERIOR YORK-INTERIOR CUMBERLAND-ANDROSCOGGIN-KENNEBEC-INTERIOR WALDO-COASTAL YORK-COASTAL CUMBERLAND-SAGADAHOC-LINCOLN-KNOX-COASTAL WALDO-NORTHERN COOS-SOUTHERN COOS-NORTHERN GRAFTON-NORTHERN CARROLL-SOUTHERN GRAFTON-SOUTHERN CARROLL-SULLIVAN-MERRIMACK-BELKNAP-STRAFFORD-INTERIOR ROCKINGHAM-COASTAL ROCKINGHAM-232 PM EST THU DEC 12 2013THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WESTERN MAINE...CENTRAL NEWHAMPSHIRE...NORTHERN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTHEASTERN NEW HAMPSHIRE..DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME..DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.WIDESPREAD ACCUMULATING SNOW IS EXPECTED FOR SATURDAY NIGHT INTOSUNDAY ACROSS NEW HAMPSHIRE AND ALL OF WESTERN AND SOUTHERN MAINE.THE EXACT TRACK OF A DEVELOPING COASTAL LOW ALONG THE MIDATLANTIC COAST LATE SATURDAY WILL DETERMINE HOW MUCH SNOWFALL WILLOCCUR. CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT PLOWABLE SNOW WILL OCCUR THROUGHOUTTHE AREA..SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.$$
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powderfreak

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I like the squalls tonight, too...

 

Tonight: Cloudy. Snow showers likely...mainly after midnight. Snow accumulation a dusting to 2 inches. Lows around 11. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.

Friday: Cloudy with snow showers likely with possible snow squalls likely in the morning...then partly sunny with a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Snow may be heavy at times in the morning. Total snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Highs around 11. Temperature falling to around 2 above in the afternoon. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.

 

Looking good going forward...

 

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Liking GYX afternoon discussion. Still early, but I like the idea of 18:1 snow ratios and .80" QPF along the coast. As always, may change.

 

"Conservatively" 18:1.  Haven't heard of ratios that high in an outlook in many years, or seen it during a warning-criteria storm for a while either.  Would be nice to clear 10" with the snowblower in 6th gear.

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Magical 24" level? I usually don't touch the woods till 40"...I always thought that was the rule?

This week's snow was all fluff...looks like SB/MRG area got the most, but the telling fact is that MRG is saying they don't have enough snow to open this weekend even with all the fluff this week. If MRG can't even open, we are still a while from being in the woods.

I've seen people going into the woods but it's pretty dumb right now if you ask me. We reported 3-4" last night and the groomers thought 4-6", but we've got a good thing going with the locals and them thinking we are under-playing it (we were even called out on the latest Meathead webisode from an event last year where we officially said 12" but it was far more than that, lol)...but it's all fluffy snow that at the end of the day doesn't do much of anything to the base.

I'd wait until the ski areas have a good deal of natural snow terrain open, at least. If you don't have enough snow to open trails without trees, debris, deadfall, etc, probably don't have enough to do the woods where all that exists.

I thought jspin opined 24"???

Nice thing about having Mtn biking trails through the woods is that they are smooth tracks. Those are definitely in play as I skied them 2 weekends ago.

And I'll have to do a little recon mission.

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I thought jspin opined 24"???

Nice thing about having Mtn biking trails through the woods is that they are smooth tracks. Those are definitely in play as I skied them 2 weekends ago.

And I'll have to do a little recon mission.

 

Ahh, I thought J.Spin's 24 inch level was for like natural snow trails and non-snowmaking type stuff... but maybe I'm mistaken.

 

And mountain bike trails...aha, that's a whole other ball game probably.  I thought you were talking about your normal glade/woods runs, but its still really thin and if anything, more dangerous now with the fluff, lol.  Now you ski through the snow and can't see the uglies hidden under the new snow...and this fluff offers no support so you go right through it.

 

I'm probably a little more conservative with woods skiing though than some (I used to be in there all the time in college regardless of depth, lol) but I like to see at least 40" at the stake.  I won't start advertising glade terrain in like photo of the day until the stake hits 50".

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I thought jspin opined 24"???

Nice thing about having Mtn biking trails through the woods is that they are smooth tracks. Those are definitely in play as I skied them 2 weekends ago.

And I'll have to do a little recon mission.

Depends. 24 is the new 40? Some well maintained glades can hold or catch more snow than adjacent trails. Doc dempseys at smuggs is one- high elevation, sheltered and well trimmed. But I'm still wary at this point. Its s long enough season...

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