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Potential Thanksgiving Event


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If 18z is correct with our 850 temps then this is just going to be a sloppy mess on Thanksgiving. Looks like it starts as ZR moves to snow then IP then back to ZR for many in NC and the upstate of SC. IF that low comes trekking through the SE though I'll bet it stays strong to the coast. 18z weakens it once it makes it into SC. Typically on these bowling ball lows they stay stronger than the models usually show. 

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Tony's pretty close. Back to 1879, it is about 3 years in 10 for singles or colder. Below 0 is ~1 in 20 years.

 

KATL: Period/# yrs. singles or lower/# yrs. subzero

 

1879-1900: 12/3

1901-1920:: 7/0

1921-1940: 8/0

1941-1960: 4/0 (1950, 51, 58, 59)

1961-1980: 8/2 (62, 63, 66, 67, 70, 72, 76, 77)

1981-2000: 8/2 (81-3, 85-6, 89, 94, 96)

2001-2012: 1/0 (2003)

 

So, about one every three years since 1879 has had a single or lower. Average coldest of year is in the low to middle teens.

 

Decade with most years with singles or colder: 1980's with 6 (actually 6 in 9 years). However, 9 year period with most was 1893-1901 with 7.

 

Most years in a row with singles or colder: 4 (1884-7).

 

No singles or lower:

 

1/29/1940-11/24/1950:  10 years, 9 months, 27 days

2/3/1951-2/16/1958: 7 years, 14 days

***1/25/2003-present: 10 yrs., 10 months...new record long (since 1879) just beating 1940-50 but still counting. But the general idea is that we're in the midst of a relatively warm period not unlike 1941-57. However, snowwise, it has been much snowier recently since 1941-57 had only 12.1". 1996-2013 has had 31.7" since the singles lows in 2/96!

I remember one of those in the 80's...might have been 85 when it bottomed out at Christmas,  below 0, I think, but I don't think that was the 9 below record year, was it?  I remember the 80's as the.... lying on my back in standing water under the house working on pipes  when it was below freezing years,  lol.  I'll never, ever have copper piping again.  Rip that stuff out and sell it.  Tony

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I remember one of those in the 80's...might have been 85 when it bottomed out at Christmas,  below 0, I think, but I don't think that was the 9 below record year, was it?  I remember the 80's as the.... lying on my back in standing water under the house working on pipes  when it was below freezing years,  lol.  I'll never, ever have copper piping again.  Rip that stuff out and sell it.  Tony

 

January 1985 had the so-called "Coldest Day" where many areas in the Southeast experienced below-0F temperatures.

 

Highs/Lows on 1/21/85:

 

January_21%2C_1985_temperature_map.jpg

 

For NC only:

 

mint.19850121.gif

 

+6F at Cape Hatteras is pretty phenomenal.

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January 1985 had the so-called "Coldest Day" where many areas in the Southeast experienced below-0F temperatures.

 

Highs/Lows on 1/21/85:

 

January_21%2C_1985_temperature_map.jpg

 

For NC only:

 

mint.19850121.gif

 

+6F at Cape Hatteras is pretty phenomenal.

Thanks for this!  The spell I'm recounting was right at Christmas day.  That whole week was way fridged, and that looks like out record here at the airport you are showing in Jan.  I think if is 9 below officially, but I suppose that could have been a different outbreak :)  Man, I love days and nights like that.  Snot freezing weather rules!!  T

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Thanks for this!  The spell I'm recounting was right at Christmas day.  That whole week was way fridged, and that looks like out record here at the airport you are showing in Jan.  I think if is 9 below officially, but I suppose that could have been a different outbreak :)  Man, I love days and nights like that.  Snot freezing weather rules!!  T

 

T,

 You're thinking of 12/1983, when it hit 0 at ATL..

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Thanks for this!  The spell I'm recounting was right at Christmas day.  That whole week was way fridged, and that looks like out record here at the airport you are showing in Jan.  I think if is 9 below officially, but I suppose that could have been a different outbreak :)  Man, I love days and nights like that.  Snot freezing weather rules!!  T

 

Yeah, that was Christmas 1983......frigid

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This storm system is responsible for hundreds of crashes. Death toll now at 4.

 

Looks like the WPC and National Weather Services are going with the euro/nam. Those two will be good to watch over the next 24 hours. If it starts Monday night it might be possible to have a Winter Storm Watch out by tomorrow night along the blue ridge before holiday travel starts.

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Just getting caught up with latest model guidance but as others have said the 18z actually goes even further with it's 12z solution, allowing the northern stream to out run the southern. It also keeps surface temps on Thanksgiving day below freezing all day for most of central NC! Looks like at RDU on this run is predominantly sleet and goes from around 06z through 18z the next day. Paints quite the wintry mess for much of central NC.

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18z GFS looks like it would give a lot of people some ice. RDU looks to have the dew point drop to near 32 at hour 96 and then get over .5 liquid(sleet, freezing rain, snow; basically a mess. Dew point may be very close to actual temp if precip is already falling (wet bulb will be very close). But we need a couple of more days and for the Euro to join the fun.

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18z GFS looks like it would give a lot of people some ice. RDU looks to have the dew point drop to near 32 at hour 96 and then get over .5 liquid(sleet, freezing rain, snow; basically a mess. Dew point may be very close to actual temp if precip is already falling (wet bulb will be very close). But we need a couple of more days and for the Euro to join the fun.

That is a standard recipe for a classic NC Piedmont 33º and rain.

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The GFS idea has no support by any of the other models. It's ensembles support it though. And I think the northern stream out running the southern s/w makes sense given the progressive nature of the current pattern. Should be an interesting few days of model watching.

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One other thing I will add as this has been a very noticeable trend in recent years - the ECMWF has had a major tendency to overphase over the past few years. We just saw an example with the Arctic front that brought some snow behind it, and I think we could be seeing the same thing again. The fact that the GFS - arguably the strongest model over the past 6-8 months - is beginning to lock into a solution and has ensemble support, actually makes me lean towards it vs. the ECMWF. I will be very curious to see if the Euro starts to lean away from the phase at 00z, because even that may be all the indication we need to see which direction this is headed.

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18z GFS looks like it would give a lot of people some ice. RDU looks to have the dew point drop to near 32 at hour 96 and then get over .5 liquid(sleet, freezing rain, snow; basically a mess. Dew point may be very close to actual temp if precip is already falling (wet bulb will be very close). But we need a couple of more days and for the Euro to join the fun.

It did... Its just awol on a binge right now. But yeah it should be level headed in the next couple of runs.

 

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/41767-potential-thanksgiving-event/?p=2485060

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/41767-potential-thanksgiving-event/?p=2485024

 

 

From what the euro was showing and what the gfs is showing now is pretty much identical what is ultimately going to happen with this storm. I find hard to believe that this turns into an app cutter. Not with a ULL tracking in from the SW. So... in all likely hood the models should start coming around to a more uniform solution. That is front end rain with snow assoicated with ULL. 

 

So I'd say a good probability that with this type of setup-- SW orginated  low there could be a swath of snow from N TX,LA,AR,MS,AL,TN,GA,SC,NC,VA and eventually up the coast to the NE.

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Up to a 30% chance of Ice Storm Warning Criteria from near Hickory, Lenoir and North Wilkesboro. Over a 70% chance of just seeing a little ice.

 

 

i am really liking these new maps from gsp and have been using them today as well.  hoping they can get a lot of use and a good work out this winter :snowman:

 

while not sure how they will pan out during an event, but from recollection (been a long time coming) they are pretty accurate with the wedging areas

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