Tropopause_Fold Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Meanwhile, mindblowing differences still at hr 78 of 18z GFS vs hr 84 of the 12z euro. huge difference. gfs not even close to allowing that northern stream energy to dig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 At some point guidance will collapse towards one or the other solution....perhaps not entirely...but something will give. Amazing battle. It is pretty incredible. But day 3-4 is still a good deal of time in model world... I know we'd like to think these things are better than that, but it feels like anything can still happen, lol. The sensible weather differences in the two camps is staggering especially coming on one of the busiest travel days of the entire year. What are the chances of that? haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 It is pretty incredible. But day 3-4 is still a good deal of time in model world... I know we'd like to think these things are better than that, but it feels like anything can still happen, lol. The sensible weather differences in the two camps is staggering especially coming on one of the busiest travel days of the entire year. What are the chances of that? haha. But these differences are starting early. The GFS refuses to dig the nrn stream like Phil said. It may be a bias too..but it's fun to see how models handle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowgeek Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Arctic front just came through in Albany. Nice snow squall whitening the ground. Very strong wind gusts and temp just dropped to 30f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Just had a band of snow showers blow through. No biggie. Light dusting blowing around when it was coming through. 31.1* and dropping. Yeah we've had the "persistent flurry" almost all day today with nothing but a little whitening of some surfaces here in town, and at the mountain it was maybe a 1/4" dusting. Some call it "mood flakes"...pretty standard for any CAA. Some heavier stuff looks to be approaching from the Adirondacks. Froude Numbers very high with the well mixed atmosphere, so crest and eastward is where BTV is pegging the more consistent snow showers. I'd assume its the same down your way in the Berkshires with the good mixing there's not going to be a chance to "block" or slow the flow down...this is a situation where Mike and Pete's area will pick up the snow showers easily, and likely carry well downwind into SNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Well I mean the zone forecasts. Couldn't they just say near steady temps in the upper 20s? They had upper 20s this morning in the zones, but looks like they ripped off MOS. True, they are definitely warmer than what I have in there for 18-21z tomorrow. There are a few pixels of 32 or so in and around BOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Arctic front just came through in Albany. Nice snow squall whitening the ground. Very strong wind gusts and temp just dropped to 30f. Nice , secondary front should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 some light snow at the moment. Mighit get more now than on Wednesday--I'll savor it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 some light snow at the moment. Mighit get more now than on Wednesday--I'll savor it. told you you'd get more out of this than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 GFS started it's NW trend this run. It's closer in than 12 z was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 18z nam soundings are pretty sweet at BDL tomorrow afternoon. it is going to rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Yeah we've had the "persistent flurry" almost all day today with nothing but a little whitening of some surfaces here in town, and at the mountain it was maybe a 1/4" dusting. Some call it "mood flakes"...pretty standard for any CAA. Some heavier stuff looks to be approaching from the Adirondacks. Froude Numbers very high with the well mixed atmosphere, so crest and eastward is where BTV is pegging the more consistent snow showers. I'd assume its the same down your way in the Berkshires with the good mixing there's not going to be a chance to "block" or slow the flow down...this is a situation where Mike and Pete's area will pick up the snow showers easily, and likely carry well downwind into SNE. The snow showers will likely weaken once they leave the Berkshires, but flakes could make it deep into SNE tonight. That batch over the Adirondacks looks pretty potent and could bring a quick 1-2" for the orographically favored areas up your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Arctic front just came through in Albany. Nice snow squall whitening the ground. Very strong wind gusts and temp just dropped to 30f. Sweet! Glad to see you are still around and posting too I still remember chatting over beers several winters ago when I was laid up with a broken leg. Hope all is well and its about time for a big winter for the ALB area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 What a treat for mid winter to great us late tonite (in freakin nov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 GFS started it's NW trend this run. It's closer in than 12 z was That evolution is brutal. Plants a low pressure on top of convection in N FL and races it out into the Atlantic. Then develops another low back with the s/wv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 GFS started it's NW trend this run. It's closer in than 12 z was Beautiful cirrus for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 The snow showers will likely weaken once they leave the Berkshires, but flakes could make it deep into SNE tonight. That batch over the Adirondacks looks pretty potent and could bring a quick 1-2" for the orographically favored areas up your way. Yeah, I think the ORH hills will at least get something...flakes or a heavy dusting. Froude values of 1-2.5 is quite high... I bet some of those snow showers could make it all the way to Ginxy tonight with the fast flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 told you you'd get more out of this than me. This 'T' will vault me to the top of Kevin in mass' leaderboard. Oops--it stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 GFS started it's NW trend this run. It's closer in than 12 z was But in a whole different way involving the srn stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 told you you'd get more out of this than me. This 'T' will vault me to the top of Kevin in mass' leaderboard. Oops--it stopped. I'm banking on you plowing Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowgeek Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Sweet! Glad to see you are still around and posting too I still remember chatting over beers several winters ago when I was laid up with a broken leg. Hope all is well and its about time for a big winter for the ALB area. This weather is gonna wake up my posting. Snow and beer! A perfect combo. Albany needs a snowy winter. Hope the snow is deep and widespread this year for all . Still snowing here. Ground is white...looks like winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 True, they are definitely warmer than what I have in there for 18-21z tomorrow. There are a few pixels of 32 or so in and around BOS. No big deal, just wondering what they saw. Maybe it creeps to 30, but seems like a 2m temp day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 LOl at Phils OES for two days on the GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOSTA Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Looking good on the echo returns. Any frozen in the air this early is gravy! (pardon the pun) Model run to run, model to model is disturbing to see such a wide divergence of solutions. I'd take anything at this point just for the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherX Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Looks like some snow showers inbound. Just impressive deep winter weather right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm banking on you plowing Wednesday. Love the idea, but my gut disagrees. I'm siding with PF/Rick having to do so, though. Catskill Catastrophe The fact that I can't get my station to load via rapidfire to wunderground is frustrating me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 That evolution is brutal. Plants a low pressure on top of convection in N FL and races it out into the Atlantic. Then develops another low back with the s/wv.Oddly we've seen all the models at one time or another the last few days develop that follow up wave . You almost wonder if there's some validity to it. First one is milder and rains and 2nd maybe has enough cold air with it as front shifts east to get some areas into a little snows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Looks like some snow showers inbound. Just impressive deep winter weather right now. LL's oysters getting a dusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 @ryanhanrahan: Snow squalls in NW Hills may whiten the ground. Watch for slick spots. #firstalertct http://t.co/tigY9gkxWn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 @ryanhanrahan: Snow squalls may whiten the ground. Watch for slick spots. #firstalertct http://t.co/tigY9gkxWn LOL He was adamant yesterday that there would be none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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