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Thanksgiving Week Nor'easter Discussion


Zelocita Weather

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It's obvious that the  step down is continuing into a more winter type pattern towards the end of the month - BUT that's all we can count on at this point -its way to early to get into  details about individual storms or non storms.

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Regarding the 06z GFS, precip gets in here as early as Tuesday night. 850's are below freezing region wide but the surface is a bit warm. The banding precip arrives Wed afternoon with temperatures slowly crashing towards the coast. It would likely be a snow to rain to snow verbatim northwest of I-95. Weenie snow maps show a large area of > 4" west of NYC and > 8" greater than 50 miles NW of the city.

 

00z Euro is faster and more wrapped up than the 06z GFS. It has a sub 992mb low right over the south shore by Wed morning. Heavy rain for all and it's in and out before sunset. 2"+ of rain from the George Washington Bridge east.

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Regarding the 06z GFS, precip gets in here as early as Tuesday night. 850's are below freezing region wide but the surface is a bit warm. The banding precip arrives Wed afternoon with temperatures slowly crashing towards the coast. It would likely be a snow to rain to snow verbatim northwest of I-95. Weenie snow maps show a large area of > 4" west of NYC and > 8" greater than 50 miles NW of the city.

 

00z Euro is faster and more wrapped up than the 06z GFS. It has a sub 992mb low right over the south shore by Wed morning. Heavy rain for all and it's in and out before sunset. 2"+ of rain from the George Washington Bridge east.

 

Can you post the GFS snow map, and does anyone have the EURO snow map, all models are VERY close for this far out it seems.

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Can you post the GFS snow map, and does anyone have the EURO snow map, all models are VERY close for this far out it seems.

I can not because I get it from a paid site. The Euro is pretty much all rain or mostly rain for all interested parties in this forum. The 06z GFS has all the snow falling as the low departs and temperatures crash towards the coast outside of the areas that are well north and west.

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:weenie: snow map from the 00z Euro, although to me it looks way overdone for this area based on the thermal profiles. I would personally sign up for this foot of cement in my backyard as modeled.

https://twitter.com/SNEWeather/status/403052294616256512/photo/1

That has like a 15 mile gradient of no snow and 20 inches if snow in eastern mass lol

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The other possible scenario is what the GGEM shows and that is a serious icing issue for some. The surface freezing line on some of the modeling has been well south and east of the 850mb.

PT_PN_180_0000.gif

You are not going to get icing with a coastal generally, although there are some exceptions (miller B's). This looks like a miller A though so it's either rain or snow.

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I woudlnt say that yet....looks like the northern stream energy/low will move into a favorable 50/50 position by the time the southern energy gets going...also looks like more cold air around so far.

He's partially right. That faster progression of the northern stream led to a sloppier phase and that initial low is too far offshore and screws up the pattern a bit.

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Hour 171 the trough is going negative tilt over the deep south. Closes off at 500bm over northern Georgia at 177. The low out ahead of it makes no sense to me.

it looks like the energy at h5 is spread out with an initial piece further NE which is why there are two surface lows.

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I cant see far enough enough out yet to see what happens, but even if it does miss south verbatim this run I am not unhappy with:

 

Abundant cold air around

50/50 low

strong southern energy with a strong trough

and a favorable ridge position out west

 

If it misses, it misses, but for late Nov having the chance with all these things in place is nice.

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I cant see far enough enough out yet to see what happens, but even if it does miss south verbatim this run I am not unhappy with:

 

Abundant cold air around

50/50 low

strong southern energy with a strong trough

and a favorable ridge position out west

 

If it misses, it misses, but for late Nov having the chance with all these things in place is nice.

This run is a swing and a miss, but it's not something that looks worrisome and is hopefully not the start of a trend. It's going to be a few more days at least until that northern stream gets properly sampled. Exactly when that cut off low opens up is critical as well.

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