Jonger Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Can't replace the one life lost, but the rest can be rebuilt... I'll put a star on my Googlemaps and track the rebuilding progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 BTW, my 69 number connects the Jasper and Pulaski paths and the Tippecanoe-Clinton-Carroll and Cass paths. If there are separations there, the number with rise. Tippecanoe-Clinton-Carroll-Cass is listed as one tornado by both offices, so adding the lengths together would give a path length of 39 miles. Still don't know about Jasper-Pulaski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Final numbers may change but even allowing for minor additions or subtractions, the current preliminary number of EF2+ tornadoes in Illinois is the 2nd greatest in an outbreak in the state (only exceeded by 12/18/1957). The current number of EF2+ tornadoes in Indiana would rank 3rd highest in an outbreak in the state (behind 6/2/1990 and 4/3/1974, in that order). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensō Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Saw this posted on another board. Google Earth'ed a rough before photo. It's incredible how lucky that guy and his daughter were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Here's some maps I put together using tornadohistoryproject All November tornadoes 1950-2012 F/EF2 or greater November tornadoes 1950-2012 Now here's November tornadoes 1950-2012, minus the big outbreak years of 1992 and 2002 F/EF2 or greater November tornadoes 1950-2012, minus the big outbreak years of 1992 and 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Tippecanoe-Clinton-Carroll-Cass is listed as one tornado by both offices, so adding the lengths together would give a path length of 39 miles. Still don't know about Jasper-Pulaski. Jasper/Pulaski needs to be split. I already had Tippecanoe-Cass County as one tornado. Looks like another EF0 track will be added S of Lafayette, bringing the total to 71 thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Jasper/Pulaski needs to be split. I already had Tippecanoe-Cass County as one tornado. Looks like another EF0 track will be added S of Lafayette, bringing the total to 71 thus far. I'm coming up with 72 if we split Jasper/Pulaski and add an EF0 south of Lafayette. I'm guessing the discrepancy is probably in the MI or IN totals. For Michigan, do you have the EF0 in Gaylord's cwa and the EF0 in Ingham county by GRR? Here's what I have for Indiana if we split Jasper/Pulaski and add an EF0 south of Lafayette: LOT: 3 IWX: 10 (not including the White county tornado from Benton county and the Cass county tornado from Carroll county) IND: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'm coming up with 72 if we split Jasper/Pulaski and add an EF0 south of Lafayette. I'm guessing the discrepancy is probably in the MI or IN totals. For Michigan, do you have the EF0 in Gaylord's cwa and the EF0 in Ingham county by GRR? Here's what I have for Indiana if we split Jasper/Pulaski and add an EF0 south of Lafayette: LOT: 3 IWX: 10 (not including the White county tornado from Benton county and the Cass county tornado from Carroll county) IND: 13 I split the touchdowns from GRR into 4 tors. I don't know if any of those include Ingham County. That would most likely be where the discrepancy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 I split the touchdowns from GRR into 4 tors. I don't know if any of those include Ingham County. That would most likely be where the discrepancy is. It's a different area and not associated with the other 4. 0445 PM TORNADO 3 NNW LESLIE 42.49N 84.46W 11/17/2013 INGHAM MI NWS STORM SURVEY TORNADO CAUSED EF-0 DAMAGE TO THREE RESIDENCES ALONG WITH TREES AND SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS. THIS OCCURRED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ANNIS AND TUTTLE NEAR LESLIE. ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS UP TO 70 MPH. PATH LENGTH WAS AROUND ONE QUARTER OF A MILE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxtrackercody Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 We've got a count of 74 over at Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_17,_2013_tornado_outbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's a different area and not associated with the other 4. 0445 PM TORNADO 3 NNW LESLIE 42.49N 84.46W 11/17/2013 INGHAM MI NWS STORM SURVEY TORNADO CAUSED EF-0 DAMAGE TO THREE RESIDENCES ALONG WITH TREES AND SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS. THIS OCCURRED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ANNIS AND TUTTLE NEAR LESLIE. ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS UP TO 70 MPH. PATH LENGTH WAS AROUND ONE QUARTER OF A MILE. Yeah this was separate from the 4 touchdowns near Grand Rapids. Leslie is south of Lansing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 IND added a few new tracks in the Damage Assessment Toolkit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Northern Indiana is basically a red blob on the recent updates to the tornado reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Google Earth'ed a rough before photo. It's incredible how lucky that guy and his daughter were. Unbelievable video. Just glad they made it through unhurt. Here's how the house looked before, courtesy of Google Earth. This is the row of houses starting immediately to the north of the house in the video. Unfortunately it looks like all of these houses were destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 With two more tornadoes from IND, we're now at 74 on the outbreak. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 With two more tornadoes from IND, we're now at 74 on the outbreak. Unbelievable. And 5 of them in my county alone. Have to wonder how many shorter/weaker paths may be added in the days ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCS_hunter Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm doing a class presentation about this day and I am trying to figure out what exactly intiated the supercells in central Illinois. There was almost no CIN and the area was under upper level divergence. The thing that's throwing me off is that the storms were well ahead of the cold front so I'm not sure if the front played a big role. Any help on what caused the storms to fire would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 The preliminary total of 27 EF2 or greater tornadoes in Illinois and Indiana would be the most on record in any outbreak between those two states. There's the usual caveats about rating damage and some older tornadoes being tornado families instead of one long path but it's still impressive for any time of year let alone mid-November. 11/17/2013: 276/2/1990: 234/3/1974: 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Footage of the EF3 Blodgett/Morley, MO tornado http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZHTWwpqlg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertfly Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 this chart came out of DVN regarding the tornados in IL.... http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/ilx/pdf/Illinois%20Tornadoes_Nov%2017-2013.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm doing a class presentation about this day and I am trying to figure out what exactly intiated the supercells in central Illinois. There was almost no CIN and the area was under upper level divergence. The thing that's throwing me off is that the storms were well ahead of the cold front so I'm not sure if the front played a big role. Any help on what caused the storms to fire would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Probably the pre-frontal trough. Here's a surface map valid at 20z so it's when the storms were out of most of Illinois but you can see signs of it with the flatness yet small kinks of the isobars south of the surface low out ahead of the actual cold front, which is still back around Chicago to southeast of St Louis at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCS_hunter Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Probably the pre-frontal trough. Here's a surface map valid at 20z so it's when the storms were out of most of Illinois but you can see signs of it with the flatness yet small kinks of the isobars south of the surface low out ahead of the actual cold front, which is still back around Chicago to southeast of St Louis at the time. I had heard about the pre-frontal trough but it's so subtle that the products on Plymouth State really don't show any signs of one. Thanks for sharing the map and your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 I had heard about the pre-frontal trough but it's so subtle that the products on Plymouth State really don't show any signs of one. Thanks for sharing the map and your insight. No prob. I don't know if I'd call it a requirement for outbreaks in this region but potential is usually heightened when storms can fire well ahead of the cold front. This isn't the Plains where the dryline is a continual player, though a dryline or pseudo-dryline feature occasionally makes it eastward into the region and has been a feature in some bigger outbreaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 Started a thread in the Lakes/Ohio Valley subforum in regards to the historical aspects of this outbreak http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/41779-november-17-2013-tornadoes-a-fall-outbreak-for-the-ages/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 No prob. I don't know if I'd call it a requirement for outbreaks in this region but potential is usually heightened when storms can fire well ahead of the cold front. This isn't the Plains where the dryline is a continual player, though a dryline or pseudo-dryline feature occasionally makes it eastward into the region and has been a feature in some bigger outbreaks. From my observation, a subtle boundary ahead of the main cold front (e.g. a pre-frontal trough) is a major feature in almost all east-of-Plains outbreaks. In general, it is important to have a focal point for more discrete forcing, instead of having everything blow up on the cold front at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 via reddit...supposedly from Washington, IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauDodson Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Hope Beau has taken shelter down there Missed my place by 8 air miles. Lot of neighbors - not so lucky. Another bad event for this region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Surveillance footage from one of the schools around here that was hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v12xznF3xFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 500 mb animation from 15z to 21z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO,IL 531 PM CST THU NOV 28 2013 /631 PM EST THU NOV 28 2013/ ..ADDITIONAL TORNADO CONFIRMED FROM NOVEMBER 17TH OUTBREAK .SATELLITE TORNADO EAST OF DANA ILLINOIS SOUTH OF LONG TRACKED TORNADO... RATING: EF-0 ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 75 MPH PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 3 MILES PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: 50 YARDS FATALITIES: NONE INJURIES: NONE START DATE: NOV 17 2013 START TIME: 1143 AM CST START LOCATION: 1 E DANA IL START LAT/LON: 40.9587 / -88.9251 END DATE: NOV 17 2013 END TIME: 1146 AM CST END LOCATION: 2 SSE LONG POINT IL END_LAT/LON: 40.9800 / -88.8840 * DISCUSSION: THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS RECEIVED STORM CHASER VIDEO OF A SATELLITE TORNADO WHICH FORMED SOUTH OF THE LONG TRACKED TORNADO THAT MOVED FROM WASHINGTON ILLINOIS INTO EXTREME SOUTHERN LASALLE AND SOUTHWEST LIVINGSTON COUNTY. THIS TORNADO ONLY LAST A FEW MINUTES AND NO DAMAGE HAS BEEN CONFIRMED WITH THIS SECOND BRIEF TORNADO. NOTE: THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT AND PUBLICATION IN NWS STORM DATA. IZZI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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