hm8 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 HRRR is showing some really strong post-frontal gusts, seemingly not convection-related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Might be looking at non-thunderstorm wind damage reports coming out of west central IL tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If I had to pick a starting point it would be probably IKK just off the 1-57 ramp and see how CI evolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwburbschaser Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If I had to pick a starting point it would be probably IKK just off the 1-57 ramp and see how CI evolves. Are you going to head out today? edit: today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If storm speeds weren't 50-65mph I'd probably head down towards Indiana early tomorrow. From a chasing standpoint this one is gonna be pretty tough. Only time I can think of that I captured anything decent on a fast setup like this was 5/10/10, and after our first tor intercept we couldn't keep up with the parent storm. May make a run at the semi-cold core play closer to the surface low closer to home, where storm speeds will be a bit slower. Strong tornadoes won't be likely with that play however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If storm speeds weren't 50-65mph I'd probably head down towards Indiana early tomorrow. From a chasing standpoint this one is gonna be pretty tough. Only time I can think of that I captured anything decent on a fast setup like this was 5/10/10, and after our first tor intercept we couldn't keep up with the parent storm. May make a run at the semi-cold core play closer to the surface low closer to home, where storm speeds will be a bit slower. Strong tornadoes won't be likely with that play however. My thinking too. I will stay put most likely cause no way I'm leaving to go to Indiana and something comes at my town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 6z RAP continues to be too low with temps currently which could be playing a role in it's instability later on in the run, lots of 60/61 obs currently in northern IL where the RAP still has mid to upper 50's at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Looks like Skillings call for upper 60s will hold true. 7z temp plot for NE IL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 6z RAP continues to be too low with temps currently which could be playing a role in it's instability later on in the run, lots of 60/61 obs currently in northern IL where the RAP still has mid to upper 50's at best. It's gonna be interesting to see where temps are in the morning. Would think they would be fairly steady if not rise slightly. Between that and the timing of convection from multiple models, I think the high risk could be expanded a bit northwest if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It's gonna be interesting to see where temps are in the morning. Would think they would be fairly steady if not rise slightly. Between that and the timing of convection from multiple models, I think the high risk could be expanded a bit northwest if anything. Yep, currently 66/67 readings in southern IL where that model only has low 60's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It's gonna be interesting to see where temps are in the morning. Would think they would be fairly steady if not rise slightly. Between that and the timing of convection from multiple models, I think the high risk could be expanded a bit northwest if anything. With the magnitude of WAA and moisture transport into this region I would expect temps to rise some overnight and the dew points to continue upward throughout the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Marusak Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 from a model-standpoint, I know someone was referring to NFL game venues in potential danger. from the timing of the games, I would say if the NFL is monitoring any place, Soldier Field would be number 1 in the concern and most likely for delays and needing for potential emergency shelter. Cincy 2nd, but if the timing is close to what the models are projecting, the game should hopefully be over before the line gets there, but they will want the stadium parking lots cleared asap as a precaution. Buffalo and Pittsburgh should have their games over in plenty of time, as well as Toronto for the CFL eastern Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It's gonna be interesting to see where temps are in the morning. Would think they would be fairly steady if not rise slightly. Between that and the timing of convection from multiple models, I think the high risk could be expanded a bit northwest if anything. Agreed on the High being expanded a bit northwest, now that it's out, due to what many of the hi-res models have been showing and also the trends for higher temperatures and dewpoints farther north. Earlier this fall, we did a training simulation on the November 10, 2002 tornadoes in the IWX CWA and a takeaway I had from that event is that in these strong advective situations, the threat is liable to end up farther north or northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrackertf Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Per SPC website, over 6 million people in the high risk and over 36 million in the moderate risk. Not gonna see much higher than that unless you have a high/moderate risk over NYC metro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Acceleration of the front after 21z will lead to more widespread wind damage in IN, OH, s MI and s ON, also w NY near Lake Erie. Buffalo could see wind gusts to 70 mph and a Lake Erie seiche effect. Even locations such as Ottawa ON could see wind damage late overnight as the gradient tightens. My guess for tornadic storms would be close to IN-IL border and into w IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHI_Weather Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It looks like SE IL and W IN will bear the worst. Chicago? Not sure, maybe a hit or miss. Just in case I will be using my basement for weather related matters for the first time. Stay safe folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 CLE morning AFD AREA FORECAST DISCUSSIONNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH318 AM EST SUN NOV 17 2013.SYNOPSIS...A DOUBLED BARRELED LOW PRESSURE FROM SOUTHERN MINNESOTA TO WESTERNKANSAS WILL MOVE TO NORTHERN LAKE MICHIGAN BY THIS EVENING.MEANWHILE...THE LOW PRESSURE WILL DEEPEN RAPIDLY AS IT MOVES INTOWEST CENTRAL QUEBEC BY MONDAY AFTERNOON. A STRONG COLD FRONT WILLSWEEP EAST ACROSS THE AREA TONIGHT. HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE EAST OUTOF THE SOUTHERN PLAINS STATES INTO THE OHIO VALLEY BY TUESDAY ANDTHEN OFF THE EAST COAST ON WEDNESDAY.&&.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/...THE LONG ANTICIPATED SEVERE WEATHER THREAT DAY HAS ARRIVED. TWO LOWPRESSURE SYSTEMS IN THE UPPER MIDWEST ARE BEGINNING TO MERGE ANDINTENSIFY THIS MORNING.SOUTHERLY FLOW HAS INCREASED ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA AND THIS WILLBE THE BEGINNING OF THE STRENGTHENING WIND FLOW THROUGHOUT THE DAY.MODERATELY STRONG LOW LEVEL JET WILL REMAIN PERSISTENT OVER THEFORECAST AREA TODAY AND WITH THE WARM AIR ADVECTION...SOME OF THESTRONGER WINDS WILL MIX DOWN TO THE SURFACE. SO...WILL GO AHEAD ANDISSUE A WIND ADVISORY FOR THE ENTIRE AREA BUT WILL BE FOR MAINLYLATER THIS EVENING INTO TONIGHT SINCE THE STRONGEST WINDS WILL TAKEPLACE AFTER THE COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE.60 TO 70 KNOT SPEED MAXIMUM AT 850 MB WILL POSE A PROBLEM ASCONVECTION DEVELOPS LATER THIS MORNING INTO THE AFTERNOON HOURS. THESTRONGER WINDS COULD BE FORCED TO THE SURFACE IN THE THUNDERSTORMSAND PRODUCE WIDESPREAD WIND DAMAGE. LATEST STORM PREDICTION CENTEROUTLOOK CONTINUES TO HIGHLIGHT A MODERATE RISK FOR SEVERETHUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE AREA TODAY. THERE IS A HIGH RISK JUST WESTOF THE FORECAST AREA.EVEN THOUGH THE MAIN THREATS WILL BE THE STRONG DAMAGINGWINDS...LATEST MODEL SOUNDING HODOGRAPHS INDICATE SOME FAIRLY HIGHLEVELS OF HELICITY...ESPECIALLY ACROSS AREAS FROM CLEVELAND TO AKRONCANTON WEST. I CANT RULE OUT THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY THUNDERSTORMSTHAT DEVELOP THAT THEY COULD BEGIN TO ROTATE RATHER QUICKLY ANDPRODUCE TORNADOES. TEMPERATURE DEW POINT SPREADS ARE PROGGED TO BEAT OR BELOW THE 5 DEGREE THRESHOLD AND THIS IS ONE KEY INGREDIENTFOR TORNADOES TO DEVELOP.LOOKING AT THE LATEST WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS AN EXTENSIVE AREA OFMOISTURE STREAMING NORTH ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA AT THIS TIME.HOWEVER...JUST WEST OF THE AREA...THIS MOISTURE PLUME DIMINISHES ANDTHIS IS RESULTING IN CLEARING SKIES WELL AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT.WITH THIS IN MIND...I AM CONCERNED THAT WE WILL SEE A LOT MORE SUNTHAN I CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE FORECAST. IF THIS IS THE CASE...THENCURRENT FORECAST TEMPERATURES COULD BE TOO LOW AND THEREFORE WILLSEE EVEN GREATER INSTABILITY DEVELOP. THIS WILL HAVE TO BE WATCHEDCLOSELY TODAY.&&.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT WILL NOT BE OVER TONIGHT. THE COLD FRONTAND POTENTIAL SQUALL LINE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE THROUGH THE AREA THISEVENING AND THIS IS WHEN WE HAVE THE HIGHEST THREAT FOR WIDESPREADWIND DAMAGE. ONE FACTOR IS WE WILL BE LOSING THE DAY TIME HEATINGAND THIS MAY HELP TO STABILIZE THINGS A BIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 LOT... ATTENTION TURNS TO SEVERE POTENTIAL THROUGH THE REST OF THE DAY ASTHE ABOVE SYNOPTIC EVOLUTION COMMENCES. BOTH DYNAMIC ANDTHERMODYNAMIC ASPECTS OF THE SYSTEM ARE IMPRESSIVE AND WILL COMETOGETHER TO PRODUCE AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE WEATHER ACROSS THE REGION.THE MAIN QUESTION FOR THE LOCAL AREA WILL BE THE AMOUNT OF COVERAGEAS THE SYSTEM WORKS THROUGH INTO THE LATE AFTERNOON. THE WESTERNUPPER JET WILL ROUND THE BASE OF THE TROUGH AND NOSE INTO THE AREAFROM THE SOUTHWEST DURING THE LATE MORNING AND EARLY AFTERNOON. THISJET WILL ALSO COUPLE WITH THE SUB-TROPICAL JET ALREADY IN PLACEACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY. IN ADDITION...A 85-90 KT MID LEVEL SPEED MAXWILL NOSE IN UNDERNEATH THE UPPER JET DURING THIS TIME AS WELL. THECOMBINATION OF THESE FEATURES AND THE DEEPENING SURFACE TROUGH WILLPROVIDE DEEP LAYER SHEAR VALUES OF 55-60 KT ACROSS MUCH OF THE AREABY MIDDAY...WITH AN INCREASE TO NEAR 70 KT ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERNCWA THIS AFTERNOON...WITH 0-1KM SHEAR VALUES OF AROUND 40 KT.UNSEASONABLY STRONG INSTABILITY WILL DEVELOP AS DEW POINTS RISE INTOTHE LOWER 60S WITH CAPE VALUES OF AROUND 1000 J/KG. FORECASTSOUNDINGS SHOW HIGH VALUES OF LOW LEVEL CAPE WITH 150 TO EVEN 200J/KG IN THE LOWEST 3 KM. ALL OF THIS RESULTS IN IMPRESSIVE VALUESFOR VARIOUS SEVERE WEATHER PARAMETERS. BASED ON ALL OF THIS EXPECTTHAT STORMS WILL INITIATE BY LATE MORNING OVER OR JUST SOUTHWEST/WEST OFTHE SOUTHWEST CWA AS THE ABOVE SYNOPTIC FEATURES ADVANCE NORTHEAST.COVERAGE OF STORMS LOOKS TO TAKE OFF EARLY THIS AFTERNOON AS THECOUPLING OF THE MID/UPPER JETS MAXIMIZES AND CONTINUES THROUGH THEAFTERNOON. THE SEVERE THREAT WILL MARKEDLY INCREASE AS THIS OCCURSAS WELL. THE RATE AT WHICH COVERAGE INCREASES IS STILL SOMEWHATUNCERTAIN...AT LEAST THROUGH MIDDAY...WITH IT POSSIBLE THAT A FEWSTORMS DEVELOP INITIALLY WITH A MORE RAPID INCREASE HOLDING OFFUNTIL EARLY AFTERNOON WITH THE ARRIVAL OF BETTER FORCING. THE MYRIADOF AVAILABLE CONVECTIVE ALLOWING GUIDANCE RUNS THE GAMUT OF COVERAGESCENARIOS. THE LATEST SPC DAY 1 OUTLOOK LINES UP WELL WITH LOCALTHINKING PLACING THE HIGHEST RISK FROM BASICALLY CHICAGO SOUTH TOFORD COUNTY AND POINTS EAST. THIS AREA WILL LINE UP WELL WITH THEBEST FORCING PARAMETERS AND TIMING OF INCREASING COVERAGE THISAFTERNOON. THE REMAINDER OF THE CWA TO THE WEST INCLUDING THEROCKFORD AREA IS IN A MODERATE RISK AND MAY BE MORE IN LINE WITH THEINITIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS FAR AS THREATS...THE STRONG SHEAR ANDINSTABILITY WILL POINT TO DISCRETE SUPERCELL DEVELOPMENT WITH ANEVENTUAL EVOLUTION INTO A SQUALL LINE LATER TODAY. IT IS POSSIBLETHAT MUCH OF THE ACTIVITY REMAINS FAIRLY DISCRETE ACROSS THE CWAWITH EVOLUTION INTO A PREDOMINATELY LINEAR STRUCTURE TAKING PLACEOVER OR JUST EAST OF THE EASTERN CWA. GIVEN THE STRONG LOW LEVELSHEAR AND INSTABILITY...TORNADOES ARE A DEFINITE THREAT ALONG WITHDAMAGING WINDS FOLLOWED BY LARGE HAIL. THE STRONG SHEAR ANDPOTENTIAL FOR MAINTENANCE OF DISCRETE CELLS SUGGEST THE POTENTIALFOR STRONGER AND LONGER TRACKED TORNADOES SHOULD THEY OCCUR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Most of us probably know what a 30% hatched TOR means, but just to reiterate from IND: "SPC HAS PLACED MUCH OF THE AREA IN A 30 PERCENT HATCHED RISK FOR TORNADOES...MEANING THERE IS A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF AN EF2 OR STRONGER TORNADO WITHIN 25 MILES OF ANY GIVEN POINT." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenerWx Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Didn't notice this being posted earlier, so I thought I would throw it in here for reference. November tornadoes in the NWS Chicago WFO since 1950 (via information found at the bottom of this page http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=98139&source=0) Date Time County 11/13/1951 400 PM LAKE [iN] F2 11/26/1951 617 PM FORD F1 11/12/1965 248 PM DU PAGE F2 11/12/1965 345 PM COOK F2 11/12/1965 205 PM LA SALLE F2 11/12/1965 235 PM GRUNDY F2 11/12/1965 300 PM WILL F2 11/12/1965 453 PM LAKE [iN] F3 11/11/1971 1100 PM LIVINGSTON F1 11/10/1975 UNK LAKE [iL] F1 11/09/1984 640 PM WILL F0 11/22/2010 304 PM WINNEBAGO EF2 8/12 were F/EF 2+ Almost all of them occurred within mid-afternoon/early evening hours (2-6 PM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamps10 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 These are the kind of events that frankly as a weather nut scare me. Living in Dallas/Ft Worth now I honestly had not been able to follow it develop, I thought we wasn't looking at much until I couldn't sleep and woke up and started seeing posts on social media from back home about a high risk. Frankly I'd be thrilled if this one busts badly, I just have that sick feeling in my gut that it won't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Here's a rough attempt at a surface analysis map for 4 a.m. Regardless of a few details in the frontal analysis, it's pretty clear why this has the potential to be a particularly dangerous outbreak. The fact that there's a window in the warm sector for even more destabilization though the morning is only going to throw fuel onto the fire, meaning that the higher model CAPE values may verify: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Given that surface map and all the parameters are you expecting PDS watches later today? And jhamps, good to hear from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Given that surface map and all the parameters are you expecting PDS watches later today? And jhamps, good to hear from you. Given the high risk, certainly. This is actually the first time tornado probs have been over 15% this year (the June high risk was for 60% wind). Also, we have 60s dewpoints nearly to Chicago already, which is big trouble (Pontiac, IL has a 61 degree dewpoint). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 RAP is still too low on temperatures currently, it is in the 60s in SW Lower MI and NW IN, RAP says it should still be in the mid to upper 50s. Blowing temperatures by as much as 5 degrees at this junction is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Given that surface map and all the parameters are you expecting PDS watches later today? And jhamps, good to hear from you. I think so. I almost can't put words to this setup anymore. Will just watch and see how it unfolds. Not sure if I'm lucky or unfortunate to be throwing myself right into it, but we'll hope for the former... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 For the record...from Corfidi PUBLIC SEVERE WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0249 AM CST SUN NOV 17 2013 ...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED OVER PARTS OF THE MID-MISSISSIPPI AND OHIO VALLEYS INTO MICHIGAN TODAY THROUGH EARLY TONIGHT... The NWS Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma is forecasting the development of a few strong, long-track tornadoes over parts of the Mid-Mississippi and Ohio Valleys into Michigan today through early tonight. The areas most likely to experience this activity include: Illinois Indiana Northern and Western Kentucky Lower Michigan Ohio Southeast Wisconsin Surrounding this greatest risk region, severe thunderstorms will also be possible from parts of Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee northeastward across much of the Appalachians to the lower Great Lakes. A potent jet stream disturbance with wind speeds in excess of 120 knots will sweep east across the central Plains today and across the Ohio Valley and northern half of the Appalachians tonight. As this occurs, a surface low now over the mid-Mississippi Valley will rapidly intensify and accelerate northeastward, reaching northern Michigan early tonight and western Quebec Monday morning. East of the low, increasingly warm and humid air at the surface will spread north across the Tennessee and Ohio Valleys, contributing to very unstable conditions over a large part of the east central United States. Coupled with daytime heating and ascent provided the jet stream impulse, the environment will become very favorable for severe thunderstorms --- especially along and ahead of fast-moving cold front trailing southward from the low into the mid-Mississippi and Ohio Valleys. Given the degree of thermodynamic instability, and the strength and character of the winds through the depth of the atmosphere, many of the storms will become supercells. Some of these will be capable of producing strong tornadoes --- in addition to large hail and swaths of damaging surface winds. The storms are expected to consolidate into one or two extensive lines later today into tonight --- extending the threat for damaging winds and isolated tornadoes eastward into the Appalachians by early Monday. State and local emergency managers are monitoring this potentially very dangerous situation. Those in the threatened area are urged to review severe weather safety rules and to listen to radio, television, and NOAA Weather Radio for possible watches, warnings, and statements later today. ..Corfidi.. 11/17/2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHI_Weather Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 So how concern does Chicago have to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 IND.. .NEAR TERM /TODAY/...ISSUED AT 355 AM EST SUN NOV 17 2013THE TRIGGER HAS BEEN PULLED ON THE HIGH RISK WITH CENTRAL INDIANABEING UNDER THE GUN FOR SEVERE WEATHER TODAY. SPC HAS PLACED MUCH OFTHE AREA IN A 30 PERCENT HATCHED RISK FOR TORNADOES...MEANING THEREIS A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF AN EF2 OR STRONGER TORNADO WITHIN 25 MILESOF ANY GIVEN POINT. THE SYSTEM IS EXTREMELY DYNAMIC WITH THE UPPER TROUGHBECOMING NEGATIVELY TILTED AS IT SWINGS OUT OF ITS CURRENT POSITIONOVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST BY 0Z. DEWPOINTS ACROSS THE AREA ARE ALREADY IN THE UPPER 50S TO AROUND 60 INTHE SOUTH WITH LOW 60S UPSTREAM. GUIDANCE HIGHS FOR THE DAY HAVECOME BACK DOWN A BIT GIVEN CLOUD COVER SHOULD BE IN PLACE FOR THEENTIRE DAY BUT STILL YIELDS HIGHS ACROSS THE AREA IN THE UPPER 60STO LOWER 70S. THUS SURFACE BASED CAPES THE GFS ARE RUNNING IN THELOW TO MIDDLE HUNDREDS FOR MIDDAY AND HIGHER IN THE NAM WITH MIXEDLAYER CAPES IN THE LOW HUNDREDS. WHILE THESE INSTABILITY NUMBERS ARENOT HIGH...THEY SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT GIVEN SIGNIFICANT SHEAR WITHLOW LEVEL...MID LEVEL AND UPPER LEVEL JET MAXES GOING THROUGH LATERTODAY. LONG CURVED HODOGRAPHS AND 0-1 KM HELICITY VALUES OF 300-500SHOW THE SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL FOR SUPERCELL AND TORNADO FORMATION.ONE POSSIBLE WRENCH IN TODAY/S EVENT FOR THIS FORECAST AREA IS THEOVERNIGHT CONVECTION. A BIT OF CONCERN THAT THIS COULD LEAVE ASTABLE RAIN COOLED AIRMASS OVER THE AREA WITH A BOUNDARY ACROSS THESOUTHERN FORECAST AREA OR JUST SOUTH OF THERE THAT COULD IN EFFECTINHIBIT DEVELOPMENT OVER MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA DURING THE LATEMORNING/EARLY AFTERNOON...THUS PREVENTING SUPERCELL DEVELOPMENT.SHOULD THIS OCCUR...GREAT POTENTIAL WILL STILL BE IN PLACE FORSIGNIFICANT DAMAGING WINDS AND SPIN UP TORNADOES WITH THE SQUALLLINE THAT SHOULD FORM AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT BY LATEMORNING/EARLY AFTERNOON ACROSS CENTRAL ILLINOIS.THE RAPID REFRESH BRINGS THE DEVELOPING SQUALL LINE INTO THENORTHWEST COUNTIES AROUND 19Z. THIS AGREES WITH SREF TIMING THATBRINGS THE HIGHEST OMEGA THROUGH THE CENTRAL FORECAST AREA AROUND21Z AND SWINGS THE FRONT AND ASSOCIATED UPWARD MOTION EAST OF THEAREA BY 0Z AND STUCK WITH THIS TIMING FOR HIGHEST POPS.ON NON-THUNDERSTORM WIND POTENTIAL...THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILLDEEPEN SIGNIFICANTLY AS IT TRAVERSES THE UPPER MIDWEST AND THISCOULD PRODUCE SOME STRONG WINDS JUST AHEAD OF OR MORE LIKELY JUSTBEHIND THE COLD FRONT. THINK THE STRONGEST OF THESE WINDS WILL STAYNORTH OF THE FORECAST AREA CLOSER TO THE TRACK OF THE LOW AND THEGREATEST PRESSURE CHANGES...HOWEVER...WIND ADVISORY STRENGTH GUST OF50 MPH STILL LOOK LIKE A GOOD POSSIBILITY AND THUS CONTINUED WITHWIND ADVISORY FOR THE AREA. THINK THE NORTHERN COUNTIES COULD FLIRTWITH HIGH WIND WARNING CRITERIA...BUT AT THIS POINT THINK THEY WILLSTAY IN HIGH END ADVISORY TERRITORY.&& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 So how concern does Chicago have to be? They should be on alert, but not in panic mode. The intense line that should develop and feature multiple tornadoes is expected to develop over central Illinois, placing Chicago on the northern end. That doesn't mean they're out of the woods, however I'd expect the most widespread dangerous weather to end up a bit south of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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