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December 24-25 Snowstorm


Jim Martin

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i suspect the first subtle signs of a re-emerging north trend will begin tonite, and hasten tomorrow. By wednesday we'll be back to square one with a juicy bowling ball tracking thru the lower OV. We will have come around full circle and the timing will be perfect.

mark my words.

Your words in gods ears. :D

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i suspect the first subtle signs of a re-emerging north trend will begin tonite, and hasten tomorrow. By wednesday we'll be back to square one with a juicy bowling ball tracking thru the lower OV. We will have come around full circle and the timing will be perfect.

mark my words.

I would have to lend some agreement towards your theory. I'm not sure over the years how many systems I've watched the EURO start out with a bowling ball track through the Lower Ohio River Valley, then begin to hang energy back and track way South and then come right back North to it's original track. 2007 and 2008 were notorious for these type of problems with the EURO. We'll see.

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Rev it up, but don't take the plunge yet. I like the placement of the H5/H7 low on the 18z GFS.

Well, looks like the GFS does a half-assed version of what it did yesterday at 18z. An attempt at a phase between the primary s/w and that ancillary piece dropping out of the Canadian Prairies around 96. Overall, doesn't look like the phase is successful (I can still discern two discrete s/w between 96 and 120) but it at least demonstrates what needs to go right for a further north storm track.

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i suspect the first subtle signs of a re-emerging north trend will begin tonite, and hasten tomorrow. By wednesday we'll be back to square one with a juicy bowling ball tracking thru the lower OV. We will have come around full circle and the timing will be perfect.

mark my words.

Wouldn't shock me...besides wouldn't it take just a lower-pressure storm in the plains to help it move slightly northward...something like the models had yesterday. Seems plausible.

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i suspect the first subtle signs of a re-emerging north trend will begin tonite, and hasten tomorrow. By wednesday we'll be back to square one with a juicy bowling ball tracking thru the lower OV. We will have come around full circle and the timing will be perfect.

mark my words.

Ok Stebo, we've found our bus driver. :P

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Its frustrating seeing the GFS give us the perfect track only to have minimal precip to work with when it gets here. damn block, anyone have a nuke we can shoot at it? lol and I am holding you to those words lol.

yeah but then if you nuke that block you'd have the storm going through minnesota... what do you want, another MSP special, or a good track with 1" of snow for you?????

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yeah but then if you nuke that block you'd have the storm going through minnesota... what do you want, another MSP special, or a good track with 1" of snow for you?????

How about something in between to areas that rarely get a good snow storm. Detroit has had some decent snowstorms over the years but I dont remember the last time a storm dumped (8"+) on indianapolis, columbus, or parts of southern illinois. Even toledo for that matter.

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How about something in between to areas that rarely get a good snow storm. Detroit has had some decent snowstorms over the years but I dont remember the last time a storm dumped (8"+) on indianapolis, columbus, or parts of southern illinois. Even toledo for that matter.

I heard 2008 was a nasty one here for Columbus, but that was before I arrived.:popcorn:

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yeah but then if you nuke that block you'd have the storm going through minnesota... what do you want, another MSP special, or a good track with 1" of snow for you?????

Honestly, I'd rather have it warm, than cold and 1" of snow. I really could care less about a storm if it isnt giving 3" or more. pick up a ruler. 1" isnt even enough to cover up the grass, so what is the point?

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Its frustratng seeing the GFS give us the perfect track only to have minimal precip to work with when it gets here. damn block, anyone have a nuke we can shoot at it? lol and I am holding you to those words lol.

First of all, track of the upper air features is most important at this range. Second, the pro mets always say it's a bad idea to worry about the qpf maps at this range. 3rd, the 18Z GFS not only is a better track for us than 12Z, it did bump up our qpf totals anyway. It gave us .4 at 12Z and now it gives us .5 at 18Z for a nice 5-6" event on Christmas. Be happy, my friend.

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First of all, track of the upper air features is most important at this range. Second, the pro mets always say it's a bad idea to worry about the qpf maps at this range. 3rd, the 18Z GFS not only is a better track for us than 12Z, it did bump up our qpf totals anyway. It gave us .4 at 12Z and now it gives us .5 at 18Z for a nice 5-6" event on Christmas. Be happy, my friend.

actually close to giving 5-7"

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But lets not forget where the euro and gem stand right now.. How does the 18z ukie look buckeye?

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How about something in between to areas that rarely get a good snow storm. Detroit has had some decent snowstorms over the years but I dont remember the last time a storm dumped (8"+) on indianapolis, columbus, or parts of southern illinois. Even toledo for that matter.

10.4" 2/15-2/16/2010

9.9" 2/5-2/6-2010

20.5" 3/7-3/8/2008

We also had about 7.5" with the storm in late January, 2009. We've done okay in the last couple of years.

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How about something in between to areas that rarely get a good snow storm. Detroit has had some decent snowstorms over the years but I dont remember the last time a storm dumped (8"+) on indianapolis, columbus, or parts of southern illinois. Even toledo for that matter.

Actually, just about all midwest cities have been seeing more 6"+ storms than normal in recent years. And while Detroit has led the pack in those storms, all the cities except Indy have had an 8"+ storm in 2010 (Indys last was Jan 2009)...and ironically Detroit has gone the longest since an official 12"+ snowstorm (their last being Jan 22, 2005).

Heres a look at all the 6"+ storms for each city the last 5 years (I did 5 years bc thats while I know DTWs climate like the back of my hand, I dont know the rest, and f6 only goes back to Dec 2005).

DETROIT, MI - 6+ snowstorms December 2005 - December 2010

6.3" - Dec 12, 2010

6.9" - Feb 21/22, 2010

8.6" - Feb 9/10, 2010

7.2" - Apr 5/6, 2009

7.0" - Jan 9/10, 2009

7.9" - Dec 19, 2008

7.3" - Mar 21/22, 2008

7.5" - Mar 4/5, 2008

9.0" - Dec 15/16, 2007

8.5" - Feb 13/14, 2007

6.2" - Dec 14/15, 2005

6.2" - Dec 8/9, 2005

TOLEDO, OH - 6+ snowstorms December 2005 - December 2010

12.1" - Feb 9/10, 2010

11.9" - Jan 9/10, 2009

10.8" - Jan 27/28, 2009

8.8" - Feb 25/26, 2008

6.3" - Dec 15/16, 2007

8.3" - Feb 13/14, 2007

6.2" - Dec 14/15, 2005

9.2" - Dec 8/9, 2005

COLUMBUS, OH - 6+ snowstorms December 2005 - December 2010

9.9" - Feb 5/6, 2010

10.4" - Feb 15/16, 2010

7.4" - Jan 27/28, 2009

6.3" - Jan 13/14, 2009

20.5" - Mar 7/8, 2008

6.2" - Feb 13/14, 2007

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - 6+ snowstorms December 2005 - December 2010

6.3" - Feb 15/16, 2010

6.1" - Feb 5/6, 2010

12.3" - Jan 27/28, 2009

8.1" - Feb 13/14, 2007

7.7" - Dec 8, 2007

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In the past 5 years...

6"+ snowstorms

Detroit- 12

Toledo- 8

Columbus- 6

Indianapolis- 5

8"+ snowstorms

Detroit- 3

Toledo- 6

Columbus- 3

Indianapolis- 3

LAST 12" snowstorm:

Detroit: Jan 22, 2005

Toledo: Feb 9/10, 2010

Columbus: Mar 7/8, 2008

Indianapolis: Jan 27/28, 2009

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10.4" 2/15-2/16/2010

9.9" 2/5-2/6-2010

20.5" 3/7-3/8/2008

We also had about 7.5" with the storm in late January, 2009. We've done okay in the last couple of years.

From what I remember a few of those were from clippers that were sort of surprises. I guess a snowstorm is a snowstorm but it's been awhile since theres been a cross country storm like this one that delivers for indy toledo, etc

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From what I remember a few of those were from clippers that were sort of surprises. I guess a snowstorm is a snowstorm but it's been awhile since theres been a cross country storm like this one that delivers for indy toledo, etc

Oh, you meant to all at once. That I would have to agree with. Its not often all get to share in the pleasure of the same storm.

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Actually, just about all midwest cities have been seeing more 6"+ storms than normal in recent years. And while Detroit has led the pack in those storms, all the cities except Indy have had an 8"+ storm in 2010 (Indys last was Jan 2009)...and ironically Detroit has gone the longest since an official 12"+ snowstorm (their last being Jan 22, 2005).

Heres a look at all the 6"+ storms for each city the last 5 years (I did 5 years bc thats while I know DTWs climate like the back of my hand, I dont know the rest, and f6 only goes back to Dec 2005).

Wow I didnt realize detroit has had less big snows than toledo. I guess being 50 miles north of the city I have done a lot better with quite a few 10" plus storms. If this storm can keep its act together it looks good for indy and other areas to the SW that dont see snow as much.

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From what I remember a few of those were from clippers that were sort of surprises. I guess a snowstorm is a snowstorm but it's been awhile since theres been a cross country storm like this one that delivers for indy toledo, etc

My favorite cross country storm was pd2 lol. sweet storm here.

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Actually, just about all midwest cities have been seeing more 6"+ storms than normal in recent years. And while Detroit has led the pack in those storms, all the cities except Indy have had an 8"+ storm in 2010 (Indys last was Jan 2009)...and ironically Detroit has gone the longest since an official 12"+ snowstorm (their last being Jan 22, 2005).

Heres a look at all the 6"+ storms for each city the last 5 years (I did 5 years bc thats while I know DTWs climate like the back of my hand, I dont know the rest, and f6 only goes back to Dec 2005).

COLUMBUS, OH - 6+ snowstorms December 2005 - December 2010

9.9" - Feb 5/6, 2010

10.4" - Feb 15/16, 2010

7.4" - Jan 27/28, 2009

20.5" - Mar 7/8, 2008

6.2" - Feb 13/14, 2007

You missed the mid-January clipper for Columbus: January 13-14, 2009: 6.3"

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From what I remember a few of those were from clippers that were sort of surprises. I guess a snowstorm is a snowstorm but it's been awhile since theres been a cross country storm like this one that delivers for indy toledo, etc

12/22/04 might've come close. I know there was a sharp gradient in OH though and not sure what Columbus got.

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