1300m Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 LOL...In all seriousness, it's been almost 3 years now since the Boxing Day storm, which was the last event we (RDU) had over an inch of snow, is it ever going to snow again (4+"), it almost seems like it would be a miracle. I feel the same way myself. The sad thing is I'm getting old enough now that I've lived through 3 or 4 of these 2 or 3 year snow droughts and each one feels the same (I can remember being younger and actually starting to believe it just wasn't possible to get a Miller A snowstorm ever again). The good news is that all the other ones ended, and my sources tell me this one will at some point (and I believe this winter)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I feel the same way myself. The sad thing is I'm getting old enough now that I've lived through 3 or 4 of these 2 or 3 year snow droughts and each one feels the same (I can remember being younger and actually starting to believe it just wasn't possible to get a Miller A snowstorm ever again). The good news is that all the other ones ended, and my sources tell me this one will at some point (and I believe this winter)! I hope so. A cold winter without snow is just sad and miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I hate to see an almost perfect track (for the southern apps) of a low and huge amounts of QPF go to waste b/c of a lack of blocking, but that's what is going to happen. What we all wouldn't give to have a big banana high anchored over us and a storm coming out of the gulf like that. The realist in me knows it's only November though, and just seeing a storm come out of the gulf is a sight for sore eyes. I sure hope it's a sign of things to come this winter and also that the Atlantic can find a way to at least not hurt us. (or even help a little would be nice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've been a long reader of this forum and the previous easternwx. Never really posted anything because there are so many experts on here who post and I don't won't to muddle up the forums with any nonsensical comments or questions. This is weather related but didn't really want to post on the storm thread because this may be a dumb question regarding in-situ cad. I recall in the past, situations where there wasn't a parent high for a classical cad an in-insitu cad could develop through evaporational cooling and create sort of a pseudo high pressure over the region allowing nw winds to back against the apps. Are these type of scenarios more easily overcome through waa than the classical cad? or can they be hard to scour out just like a classical cad? Just interested if there could be a longer period of frozen precip than advertised at the outset if the models are underestimating the evaporational cooling due to the extremely dry air. On the GFS the dewpoints rocket up extremely fast with only a couple degrees drop in surface temps. Is the waa this strong in this scenario to scour the cad out that fast? Yes, the cold air in an in-situ CAD setup is more susceptible to being scoured away, and quicker. Yes, the models could be underplaying the cooling when the precip kicks in tonight, but they shouldn't be way off, and yes, in this setup, the waa is screaming in. Take a look at this write-up...http://www.theweatherprediction.com/weatherpapers/030/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Why is it so hard for central NC to get good snow events? Yes, it happens sometimes, but seems like it should be more of a regular occurance. I think we should be far enough north and close enough to the ocean to get more events where there is bombing off the coast. But it rarely happens when the time is right. Seems so hard to get all the factors to come together right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshM Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Freezing Rain Advisory one county over from me... figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've been a long reader of this forum and the previous easternwx. Never really posted anything because there are so many experts on here who post and I don't won't to muddle up the forums with any nonsensical comments or questions. This is weather related but didn't really want to post on the storm thread because this may be a dumb question regarding in-situ cad. I recall in the past, situations where there wasn't a parent high for a classical cad an in-insitu cad could develop through evaporational cooling and create sort of a pseudo high pressure over the region allowing nw winds to back against the apps. Are these type of scenarios more easily overcome through waa than the classical cad? or can they be hard to scour out just like a classical cad? Just interested if there could be a longer period of frozen precip than advertised at the outset if the models are underestimating the evaporational cooling due to the extremely dry air. On the GFS the dewpoints rocket up extremely fast with only a couple degrees drop in surface temps. Is the waa this strong in this scenario to scour the cad out that fast? You should muddle! Great question, so good it should be in discussion, as being in banter doesn't give it enough respect Post more!! Glad Griteater found your question. He's good. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 NWS has mention of snow for my part of Mississippi! Another state further south seeing snow but central NC gets nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stovepipe Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Another state further south seeing snow but central NC gets nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Why is it so hard for central NC to get good snow events? Yes, it happens sometimes, but seems like it should be more of a regular occurance. I think we should be far enough north and close enough to the ocean to get more events where there is bombing off the coast. But it rarely happens when the time is right. Seems so hard to get all the factors to come together right.you average 6" inches of snow per year. Not 60". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 you average 6" inches of snow per year. Not 60". Yes, I know that, and I am wondering why it is not more and so hard to get everything right here. I just think with the location it should be more. I guess that's just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yes, I know that, and I am wondering why it is not more and so hard to get everything right here. I just think with the location it should be more. I guess that's just the way it is.Snow is no longer in the forecast for Raleigh on Wednesday. lol!Edit: Nevermind, you still have a chance! http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:27601.1.99999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yes, and I am wondering why it is not more and so hard to get everything right here. I just think with the location it should be more.you are in a bad location the mtns bkock your cold air and waa kills you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowNiner Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 LOL...In all seriousness, it's been almost 3 years now since the Boxing Day storm, which was the last event we (RDU) had over an inch of snow, is it ever going to snow again (4+"), it almost seems like it would be a miracle. Yes, I am really parched for snow. I actually talked myself into not getting in to it this winter and just accepting that Charlotte doesn't get snow anymore and so I just need to let it go. No expectations, no disappointments. I'm still working on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yes, I know that, and I am wondering why it is not more and so hard to get everything right here. I just think with the location it should be more. I guess that's just the way it is. You seem to be under the impression that latitude is the sole responsible party in determining where snow should or should not occur. The fact that you live on a latitude that is technically "more north" than Mississippi is often negated by the orientation of central NC and it's surrounding topography. You should know better by now - you've been here for years, saying the same thing over and over. It's like you just don't want to accept that getting snow often involves more than just a north/south coordinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 you average 6" inches of snow per year. Not 60". We don't average 0" either, but it seems that's the prevailing average over the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjames1992 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yes, I know that, and I am wondering why it is not more and so hard to get everything right here. I just think with the location it should be more. I guess that's just the way it is.Raleigh gets about the same amount of snow as Knoxville and a little more than Nashville on average, IIRC. I'm not sure what is surprising.The good thing about averages is that they eventually catch up, so you'll get your fill eventually. Remember you had two very major snowstorms in three years back in the early 2000s (I'm specifically referring to January 2000 and January 2002). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Raleigh gets about the same amount of snow as Knoxville and a little more than Nashville on average, IIRC. I'm not sure what is surprising. The good thing about averages is that they eventually catch up, so you'll get your fill eventually. Remember you had two very major snowstorms in three years back in the early 2000s (I'm specifically referring to January 2000 and January 2002). Not unless the climate is changing, but let's not open up that can of worms :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 You seem to be under the impression that latitude is the sole responsible party in determining where snow should or should not occur. The fact that you live on a latitude that is technically "more north" than Mississippi is often negated by the orientation of central NC and it's surrounding topography. You should know better by now - you've been here for years, saying the same thing over and over. It's like you just don't want to accept that getting snow often involves more than just a north/south coordinate. And that is what I am searching for, the factors that don't give us more snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not unless the climate is changing, but let's not open up that can of worms :-) Oh, good lord. Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 And that is what I am searching for, the factors that don't give us more snow. How many have you found so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 And why do people in the southeast care what that DT dude says? He only cares about the northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's going to be a long winter...and we haven't even gotten to winter yet! Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 And why do people in the southeast care what that DT dude says? He only cares about the northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Because of cheese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Because of cheese? Oh, sorry...no. That was to go with all your whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 On the GFS the dewpoints rocket up extremely fast with only a couple degrees drop in surface temps. Is the waa this strong in this scenario to scour the cad out that fast? Part of the problem: the lowest dewpoints shown on many GFS runs for some cities were bogus. I mean it had below zero dewpoints at Atlanta for a few hours. Several runs had -5 F! Then the projected dewpoints rose fast from there. Well, there never were any dewpoints even close to -5. The lowest was +7 F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus1 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 And why do people in the southeast care what that DT dude says? He only cares about the northeast. Thank you, CR. My sentiments exactly. Should I answer Brick's question? I might as well try... 1) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 2) Because he is quite entertaining with all his crazy typos and tendency to fly off the handle. 3) Because he is actually quite knowledgeable, though he's sure not too shy about it. 4) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 5) Because he used to be quite the active poster on AmericanWx/EasternWx, so there is history. 6) Because he does offer forecasts for the northern portions of the SE. 7) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 8) And lastly, not everybody cares what DT has to say, as you apparently don't. Ergo, you can ignore the post, but I wanted to give you the freedom to digest his forecast, should you have so desired. This is an equal opportunity weatherboard where we are free to consume, share, like, hate, or do whatever else we so desire with a variety of forecasts and opinions about the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Thank you, CR. My sentiments exactly. Should I answer Brick's question? I might as well try... 1) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 2) Because he is quite entertaining with all his crazy typos and tendency to fly off the handle. 3) Because he is actually quite knowledgeable, though he's sure not too shy about it. 4) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 5) Because he used to be quite the active poster on AmericanWx/EasternWx, so there is history. 6) Because he does offer forecasts for the northern portions of the SE. 7) Because he posts about THE WEATHER and this is a weatherboard. 8) And lastly, not everybody cares what DT has to say, as you apparently don't. Ergo, you can ignore the post, but I wanted to give you the freedom to digest his forecast, should you have so desired. This is an equal opportunity weatherboard where we are free to consume, share, like, hate, or do whatever else we so desire with a variety of forecasts and opinions about the weather. OK, but he is kind of mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Oh, sorry...no. That was to go with all your whine. I drink beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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