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November arctic airmass and some possible snow squalls is pretty cool for Nov. At least to me it is. 

It is too me also, especially since there has not been too many impressive arctic fronts this early in November in some time. You might remember the front that came through about ten days after the Veteran's day storm in 87. I think that was the coldest November day I can ever remember. Had a nice squall that put down a dusting that didn't melt until the next afternoon.

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Josh is a very skilled chaser and a very skilled PR man.  I just wish people would present the whole story. You don't have a FB page etc if you're in it just for the storms. 

 

This comment makes me think they didn't know what they were getting into:

 

"The Philippines isn't used to getting storm surges -- it's not usually such of an issue so this would have caught people by surprise. They don't associate typhoons with the rising water levels like that."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-chaser-tacloban-escape/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook

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There is a very big difference between risking your life specifically to get famous and doing it for the thrill. Josh is the latter and has said as much openly. I think he is crazy. Never would I do it. But I wholeheartedly believe he doesn't do it just to get some press time because of it. RR, that was your first comment. He risked his life to become famous, which I don't agree with at all. He risked his life, yes. But being famous wasn't his motive.

We will agree to disagree, maybe famous was to strong a word. He definitely does not mind the publicity that is for sure. How else is he all over the place getting interviewed. Either way let's drop this and i hope you get a huge snow squall in Parkton tonight with your added elevation  ;) .

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We will agree to disagree, maybe famous was to strong a word. He definitely does not mind the publicity that is for sure. How else is he all over the place getting interviewed. Either way let's drop this and i hope you get a huge snow squall in Parkton tonight with your added elevation  ;) .

 

Not minding after the fact and going specifically to be famous, are again, two different things. The point is, he was one of four chasers to be there, that are now being interviewed, their video's are on the news, etc. Both Josh's group, and the other guy, Jim Edds (@ExtremeStorms) have shared their stories. I'm not sure why that is such a big freakin' deal.

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Obviously having a facebook page means they have followers, who are following what they are doing. Does that mean Ian, Mark, myself, TornadoTony and wxmeddler all want attention because we help out a tornado website? Does Ian, Mark look for attention when they go chasing and then post their stories/pics to that same website?

 

The desire for attention is a horrible choice of words -- they (Josh, Ian, Mark) enjoy chasing cyclones/hurricanes/tornadoes. They want to share it with people who also like it. Whatever "attention" comes from it, comes from people who also enjoy the weather. It just so happens that Josh went and chased a rather big storm, while Ian/Mark choose not to go after the big ones when tornado chasing. I see nothing wrong with either side.

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Obviously having a facebook page means they have followers, who are following what they are doing. Does that mean Ian, Mark, myself, TornadoTony and wxmeddler all want attention because we help out a tornado website? Does Ian, Mark look for attention when they go chasing and then post their stories/pics to that same website?

 

The desire for attention is a horrible choice of words -- they (Josh, Ian, Mark) enjoy chasing cyclones/hurricanes/tornadoes. They want to share it with people who also like it. Whatever "attention" comes from it, comes from people who also enjoy the weather. It just so happens that Josh went and chased a rather big storm, while Ian/Mark choose not to go after the big ones when tornado chasing. I see nothing wrong with either side.

 

Agree w you. They share their experience.. isn't that what it's all about? If you listened as well-- they had food and water supplies to last a week if need be and the guy was hurt helping others. It wasn't like he was hurt from being there. What if Josh wasn't there to help the elderly? 

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Obviously having a facebook page means they have followers, who are following what they are doing. Does that mean Ian, Mark, myself, TornadoTony and wxmeddler all want attention because we help out a tornado website? Does Ian, Mark look for attention when they go chasing and then post their stories/pics to that same website?

 

The desire for attention is a horrible choice of words -- they (Josh, Ian, Mark) enjoy chasing cyclones/hurricanes/tornadoes. They want to share it with people who also like it. Whatever "attention" comes from it, comes from people who also enjoy the weather. It just so happens that Josh went and chased a rather big storm, while Ian/Mark choose not to go after the big ones when tornado chasing. I see nothing wrong with either side.

Good post. Social media gives anyone an opportunity to put out things for a variety of reasons. Josh happens to be a cane chaser and uses the internet to show others interested the things he does when chasing.

If he has the means to do what he does then he has the right

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If he has the means to do what he does then he has the right

 

That pretty much sums it up. Everybody has the right to do anything they want if it's legal. Agreeing is optional. 

 

I back country skied all over the central rockies for most of the 90's. Took all kinds of unnecessary chances with my life and many friend's lives as well. We were all trained in avalanche safety, analyzing snow pits, and had the right gear but every descent was taking a chance with grave danger and death. But the passion and experience made the risk worth it. I would do it all over again in a second and probably push even harder if I had the chance. It was a rush beyond anything I've ever experienced before and since.

 

Josh is doing the same thing. To experience a deep passion regardless of one of the potential consequences being death or grave injury . To him it's worth it and I can totally relate. Intentionally putting oneself in harms way in exchange for an experience with a lifelong passion can be totally worth the life experience. At least to me it is. To each their own. 

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People look at this too black and white. I still don't really like the extreme sport analogy simply because chasing comes with it knowledge that you might be witness to people who want no part of anything have their lives ruined or lost. Nonetheless it's a circular argument so I see why Josh is tired of it.

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That pretty much sums it up. Everybody has the right to do anything they want if it's legal. Agreeing is optional. 

 

I back country skied all over the central rockies for most of the 90's. Took all kinds of unnecessary chances with my life and many friend's lives as well. We were all trained in avalanche safety, analyzing snow pits, and had the right gear but every descent was taking a chance with grave danger and death. But the passion and experience made the risk worth it. I would do it all over again in a second and probably push even harder if I had the chance. It was a rush beyond anything I've ever experienced before and since.

 

Josh is doing the same thing. To experience a deep passion regardless of one of the potential consequences being death or grave injury . To him it's worth it and I can totally relate. Intentionally putting oneself in harms way in exchange for an experience with a lifelong passion can be totally worth the life experience. At least to me it is. To each their own.

A better analogy would be backcountry skiing in an area that had just received a crippling blizzard and resulting avalanche that killed thousands of people, and while you were there you helped dig out some folks and hand out blankets before being airlifted out and leaving the locals to their fates.

In my opinion.

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A better analogy would be backcountry skiing in an area that had just received a crippling blizzard and resulting avalanche that killed thousands of people, and while you were there you helped dig out some folks and hand out blankets before being airlifted out and leaving the locals to their fates.

In my opinion.

It's battlefield tourism. 

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People look at this too black and white. I still don't really like the extreme sport analogy simply because chasing comes with it knowledge that you might be witness to people who want no part of anything have their lives ruined or lost. Nonetheless it's a circular argument so I see why Josh is tired of it.

 

I wasn't trying to be apples to apples though I'm sure you knew that. Just pointing out my beliefs that an individual is free to make choices and accept the consequences. It's a libertarian view that I strongly believe in. 

 

Having the desire, means, and passion to chase something that is legal and important to you trumps all else. Josh wasn't there to see people die. He was there to witness a weather event. Seeing people die is a consequence of the action. And it's something that has to be accepted in advance. I can't criticize whether I agree or not. 

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I wasn't trying to be apples to apples though I'm sure you knew that. Just pointing out my beliefs that an individual is free to make choices and accept the consequences. It's a libertarian view that I strongly believe in. 

 

Having the desire, means, and passion to chase something that is legal and important to you trumps all else. Josh wasn't there to see people die. He was there to witness a weather event. Seeing people die is a consequence of the action. And it's something that has to be accepted in advance. I can't criticize whether I agree or not. 

I agree with most of that up to a point, although strictly speaking, just because something is important to you doesn't make it right, even though you have the right to do it. Had there been social media in the 90's, and god forbid there was a major avalanche that cost people their lives, or there was a blizzard that was well advertised in advance, would you have gone anyway and agreed to be interviewed later. And if so, why? My thinking is if you have a passion for something, it's probably human nature to want to talk about it once you have accomplished it, even with strangers (social media).

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I hate when that happens. I used to take the Monday morning (7-7:30, I can't remember) SW flight from BWI to SDF and then they changed it to 9-9:30. Messed up my routine. I loved that early morning flight. There were times when there couldn't have been more than 60 people on the flight.

 

Actually it's packed since they took away the last flight in the 10pm bank out of CLT. Usually it's not this packed

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Hey, that's a great idea. At least you're honest with your intentions. Let us know if you need support getting this up and running.

Thanks.  I'm accepting donations for a stay at Jon Jon's place; I'll take lots of pics to share!

 

A show about snow chasers is long overdue.  I know I'd watch every second of every episode.

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