powderfreak Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Making landfall as likely the strongest Typhoon (195mph) in the satellite era... just unreal. typhoon.jpg EF5 twister the size of Texas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 All the best to Josh and his team...I'm not even sure if I would want to experience something THAT intense. big balls Just my 2¢ since this is the banter thread and no offense to anyone. There was a time when I was younger that I would seek out extreme weather but after having been in the middle of a few natural disasters I started to feel guilty over being a deliberate victim and an added burden on recovery efforts so I stopped putting myself in those situations. Yeah it takes hutzpah but if you don't need to be there, I don't think that you should be there. My thoughts and prayers are with the people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just my 2¢ since this is the banter thread and no offense to anyone. There was a time when I was younger that I would seek out extreme weather but after having been in the middle of a few natural disasters I started to feel guilty over being a deliberate victim and an added burden on recovery efforts so I stopped putting myself in those situations. Yeah it takes hutzpah but if you don't need to be there, I don't think that you should be there. My thoughts and prayers are with the people there. Well Josh and his team also conduct extensive research, so while they certainly do it for the thrill, they have collected extensive data throughout their travels and have been a major help to the NHC and other agencies with their research. They have certainly contributed a great deal to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I was just writing down the average daily high/low temperatures for BDL and writing down the average lows for January actually makes me kind of like the cold. I guess as long as the air is just dead...no wind, the cold really isn't all that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Just my 2¢ since this is the banter thread and no offense to anyone. There was a time when I was younger that I would seek out extreme weather but after having been in the middle of a few natural disasters I started to feel guilty over being a deliberate victim and an added burden on recovery efforts so I stopped putting myself in those situations. Yeah it takes hutzpah but if you don't need to be there, I don't think that you should be there. My thoughts and prayers are with the people there. I think it's similar to an addiction at this point. He couldn't *not* go. It's gotta be a huge rush experiencing as many tropical cyclones as he has, but I don't think there's any upper boundary. If there was, this would be it. Putting yourself in a an area like the Philippines while 200mph winds move towards an infrastructure that is struggling, for lack of a better word. It must be an odd feeling being the lone American watching the storm and weenie-ing out while shouting into the wind, "This is awesome!" Meanwhile hundreds or thousands of people are perishing in that country...that's an interesting moral place to be. I just can't imagine explaining to the hotel clerk that you are here solely to watch devastation in real-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I think it's similar to an addiction at this point. He couldn't *not* go. It's gotta be a huge rush experiencing as many tropical cyclones as he has, but I don't think there's any upper boundary. If there was, this would be it. Putting yourself in a an area like the Philippines while 200mph winds move towards an infrastructure that is struggling, for lack of a better word. It must be an odd feeling being the lone American watching the storm and weenie-ing out while shouting into the wind, "This is awesome!" Meanwhile hundreds or thousands of people are perishing in that country...that's an interesting moral place to be. I just can't imagine explaining to the hotel clerk that you are here solely to watch devastation in real-time. That's part of the problem that I had, especially when visiting far off places that I knew I'd be leaving. Imagine going into a situation where you and your group become another mouth to feed and provide water for then having the privilege of leaving while everyone else has to stay behind and deal with it. It just kind of got to me after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 But it's the same with tornado chasing. How many people are watching a town ripped up by a tornado? In the end it's awe inspiring and that's why we do it. As long as you know the danger and possible aftermath of the storm, I'm fine with it if that's what you are in to. Nobody ever wishes for hardship and suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 But it's the same with tornado chasing. How many people are watching a town ripped up by a tornado? In the end it's awe inspiring and that's why we do it. As long as you know the danger and possible aftermath of the storm, I'm fine with it if that's what you are in to. Nobody ever wishes for hardship and suffering. Exactly. As unfortunate as it is and how tough it is to witness, it's out of our control. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, with the exception of just stop building in areas that are prone to natural disasters. It's all just apart of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 But it's the same with tornado chasing. How many people are watching a town ripped up by a tornado? In the end it's awe inspiring and that's why we do it. As long as you know the danger and possible aftermath of the storm, I'm fine with it if that's what you are in to. Nobody ever wishes for hardship and suffering.Very true...it's the same with all storm chasing. But does there ever get to be a point where you don't put yourself in that situation? Such as a storm like this? I guess probably not because we've already seen it with tornado chasers putting themselves in harms way...but tornados are more random. You know a 235mph gusting tropical cyclone is a whole other level.There's also something about being in your own country and chasing these events....instead of playing the token wealthy (relatively speaking) American traveling to a poor nation to watch a natural disaster for sport. We all understand it but do the locals of these places? I'm assuming they say it's all for research though which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Nice pictures Mike. How much rain did we get there today? I've been in Boston all day. Thanks, Chris. I picked up a whopping .06". lol 39.3/29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Very true...it's the same with all storm chasing. But does there ever get to be a point where you don't put yourself in that situation? Such as a storm like this? I guess probably not because we've already seen it with tornado chasers putting themselves in harms way...but tornados are more random. You know a 235mph gusting tropical cyclone is a whole other level. Well that's why I said as long as you understand the danger and aftermath. You obviously can't go blindly into these things without knowing what the hell you are doing. Josh also rode out a Cat V hurricane Dean so he's done it before. Let's hope he thought this one through. It's possible a little wobble south may have saved them the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks, Chris. I picked up a whopping .06". lol 39.3/29 Wow any flooding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Very true...it's the same with all storm chasing. But does there ever get to be a point where you don't put yourself in that situation? Such as a storm like this? I guess probably not because we've already seen it with tornado chasers putting themselves in harms way...but tornados are more random. You know a 235mph gusting tropical cyclone is a whole other level. There is a difference though between doing it just for fun and for the science. AS I posted above. Josh and his team don't only do this for the thrill but they collect a great deal of data which they in turn send over to the NHC and other agencies. Are they putting themselves in harms way? Absolutely, but this risk is just part of the business. Firefighters, policeman, put themselves in harms way every single day...certain jobs come with certain risks and you have to accept those risks. But the data Josh and his team can collect from this storm could be extraordinary for the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 But it's the same with tornado chasing. How many people are watching a town ripped up by a tornado? In the end it's awe inspiring and that's why we do it. As long as you know the danger and possible aftermath of the storm, I'm fine with it if that's what you are in to. Nobody ever wishes for hardship and suffering. Exactly. As unfortunate as it is and how tough it is to witness, it's out of our control. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, with the exception of just stop building in areas that are prone to natural disasters. It's all just apart of life. That kind of chasing is a little different. I've been there and watching a tornado is different from a mesoscale event because you can come in and be of assistance as opposed to being in the middle of a disaster area and becoming a victim yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for storm chasing and experiencing extremes but there is a fine line between that and becoming a burden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 That kind of chasing is a little different. I've been there and watching a tornado is different from a mesoscale event because you can come in and be of assistance as opposed to being in the middle of a disaster area and becoming a victim yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for storm chasing and experiencing extremes but there is a fine line between that and becoming a burden. I agree but like I've said, Josh and his team conduct extensive research with their chasing and with what they document and their work for the field has been incredible. They are putting themselves in harms way for the science and for the fun...it's not just for the fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 There is a difference though between doing it just for fun and for the science. AS I posted above. Josh and his team don't only do this for the thrill but they collect a great deal of data which they in turn send over to the NHC and other agencies. Are they putting themselves in harms way? Absolutely, but this risk is just part of the business. Firefighters, policeman, put themselves in harms way every single day...certain jobs come with certain risks and you have to accept those risks. But the data Josh and his team can collect from this storm could be extraordinary for the field. Seriously? A meteorologist is not a firefighter or policeman. I'd give credit for being part of the national guard but not a meteorologist. If they really wanted to collect data they could setup a network of sensors and then get out of the way and go back in when it's safe and bring supplies with them. That way they can be an aide to recovery and supply data. You don't have to be in the middle of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 That kind of chasing is a little different. I've been there and watching a tornado is different from a mesoscale event because you can come in and be of assistance as opposed to being in the middle of a disaster area and becoming a victim yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for storm chasing and experiencing extremes but there is a fine line between that and becoming a burden. Well he's been able to help out a lot when he's trying to get out. I've seen some of his accounts. Again, a bunch of chasers can drive through towns hit by tornadoes without helping....what is the difference? That happens all the time abd i cant blame them with all the hazards that go along with structural damage. I'm pretty sure he does what he can to avoid being a burden. Hopefully this storm isn't one where he bit off more than he can chew. Don't forget most of his other storms aren't exactly human catastrophes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I agree but like I've said, Josh and his team conduct extensive research with their chasing and with what they document and their work for the field has been incredible. They are putting themselves in harms way for the science and for the fun...it's not just for the fun I disagree, wiz. It's 99.9 percent fun and maybe the chance to get a good pressure reading but this isn't about science it's about fulfilling a desire to experience wild weather. If I had the resources josh does id do it too but i don't think it's fair to say even part of it is for the sake of science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Seriously? A meteorologist is not a firefighter or policeman. I'd give credit for being part of the national guard but not a meteorologist. If they really wanted to collect data they could setup a network of sensors and then get out of the way and go back in when it's safe and bring supplies with them. That way they can be an aide to recovery and supply data. You don't have to be in the middle of it. My point was there are may different ways in life where you sacrifice your safety to benefit others. Some of those ways include the career/profession you're in (the police/firefighter example), some of those ways include putting yourself there for the sake of science and for the benefits of public safety down the road. You could put sensors and computers but nothing is more beneficial than the experience by an actual living person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I disagree, wiz. It's 99.9 percent fun and maybe the chance to get a good pressure reading but this isn't about science it's about fulfilling a desire to experience wild weather. If I had the resources josh does id do it too but i don't think it's fair to say even part of it is for the sake of science. I believe he has said in the past that his main reason for doing this is definitely the fun/thrill of it. However, he also does collect a great deal of data and observation which he does share with the NHC and other agencies and their data has been very useful to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 That's his passion, he does it because he loves it. But, he does try to get readings when he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I have no problem with what they do Not sure how much of their data is really useful but what do I know More power to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 You only live once, may as well do whatever you want and experience whatever you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hey, you never know when an EF3 will be nearby when you are scoring a baseball game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Extreme weather tourism is on the rise. But you can tell Josh isn't a meteorologist...if he was, he wouldn't have the money or time to travel to all these locations, haha. Whatever he does for a living though must be awesome because he seems to be able to travel at will and at the drop of a hat. Does anyone know if he has sponsors or does he find all of this chasing each year out of pocket. It can't be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hey, you never know when an EF3 will be nearby when you are scoring a baseball game lol brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hey, you never know when an EF3 will be nearby when you are scoring a baseball game It happens at least once in your lifetime I'm pretty sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I have no problem with what they do Not sure how much of their data is really useful but what do I know More power to them You only live once, may as well do whatever you want and experience whatever you can People can do what they want. I wasn't directing my opinion at anyone specifically. I'm sure there are other people over there. My thoughts and prayers are with anyone over there and I hope they get what they need out of the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 It happens at least once in your lifetime I'm pretty sure Don't worry - something else will happen in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Extreme weather tourism is on the rise. But you can tell Josh isn't a meteorologist...if he was, he wouldn't have the money or time to travel to all these locations, haha. Whatever he does for a living though must be awesome because he seems to be able to travel at will and at the drop of a hat. Does anyone know if he has sponsors or does he find all of this chasing each year out of pocket. It can't be cheap. Josh owns his own global marketing company. Does it for thrill, science is secondary. He has related that contrary to belief people are interested in him coming to their country and welcome him very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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