Ginx snewx Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Didn't find in that bad walkin round the city this AM. 42.7 here at the office ATTM.Tell ya this I am sick of leaves. Nice day working outside, air is spectacular. Bone dry soils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Tell ya this I am sick of leaves. Nice day working outside, air is spectacular. Bone dry soils. and 12z GFS prints out less than .20 for the next 7 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The Frigidaire in me likes this double departure ice box of a day. Odd here sometimes, some references last week to this as a chilly day but lots of talk about furnacey torch this week. My mind just exploded when I saw BTV put up a -11 yesterday. That's absolutely incredible. A double digit negative departure! Of course, it doesn't offset the +20 that happened the day before, lol...nice yo-yo pattern but will average warmer than normal as usual up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 and 12z GFS prints out less than .20 for the next 7 daysdrought continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 My mind just exploded when I saw BTV put up a -11 yesterday. That's absolutely incredible. A double digit negative departure! Of course, it doesn't offset the +20 that happened the day before, lol...nice yo-yo pattern but will average warmer than normal as usual up here. I wonder if there is any validity in the old wives tale about people getting ill more often when the temps yo yo I don't see any reason for it, yet it persists... Like how snow cover kills germs... Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 36.8°F here in Bath. With the fall back of an hour, we should be at the warmest part of the day over the next hour. Seriously doubting we hit 40°F here. 36.3 off a high off a high so far of 36.8. Indeed, 40 is in doubt. I'll give it another hour before I throw in the towel. But, 37 is reasonable close to "around 40" I suppose. High clouds moving in. Tell ya this I am sick of leaves. Nice day working outside, air is spectacular. Bone dry soils. This will be my third year of having someone do the leaves for me. I never thought I'd do such a thing--but I've come to recognize it as perhaps the best $300 I'll ever spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolMike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm pretty worried about this upcomming winter. It looks like a realistic forecast is significantly below normal snowfall through December and moderately above normal temperatures also through December. The way people are already talking about pattern changes reminds me of the way this board sounded in late November and early December of 2011. Can anyone talk me off the ledge and explain why I shouldn't be worried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm pretty worried about this upcomming winter. It looks like a realistic forecast is significantly below normal snowfall through December and moderately above normal temperatures also through December. The way people are already talking about pattern changes reminds me of the way this board sounded in late November and early December of 2011. Can anyone talk me off the ledge and explain why I shouldn't be worried? JB's going cold and snow If we do end up warm and dry, he won't pull the plug until 2/15 at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm pretty worried about this upcomming winter. It looks like a realistic forecast is significantly below normal snowfall through December and moderately above normal temperatures also through December. The way people are already talking about pattern changes reminds me of the way this board sounded in late November and early December of 2011. Can anyone talk me off the ledge and explain why I shouldn't be worried? A screen name of CoolMike means you stop worrying and start partying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm pretty worried about this upcomming winter. It looks like a realistic forecast is significantly below normal snowfall through December and moderately above normal temperatures also through December. The way people are already talking about pattern changes reminds me of the way this board sounded in late November and early December of 2011. Can anyone talk me off the ledge and explain why I shouldn't be worried? Because there are 146 days until April 1. 36.5/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57610716/central-conn-state-university-in-lockdown/ Don't we have a few posters who go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57610716/central-conn-state-university-in-lockdown/ Don't we have a few posters who go there? None that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolMike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 A screen name of CoolMike means you stop worrying and start partying. Because there are 146 days until April 1. 36.5/14 Thanks for the attitude adjustments dudes! 146 days is a long time JB's going cold and snow If we do end up warm and dry, he won't pull the plug until 2/15 at least For personal reasons I don't pay any attention to JB's forecasts. Its too bad I can't whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm going to visit the snow at Wachusett... bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57610716/central-conn-state-university-in-lockdown/ Don't we have a few posters who go there? We've had a few from UConn, not sure about Central... Barely 40 degrees here in Tolland at 3pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 We've had a few from UConn, not sure about Central... Barely 40 degrees here in Tolland at 3pm. Yup--nice cool day today. 35.9/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Yup--nice cool day today. 35.9/12 ORH is still at 39 degrees... I wonder if they hit 40 between hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 ORH is still at 39 degrees... I wonder if they hit 40 between hours? temps has actually dropped out here. back down under 40F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolMike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'm going to visit the snow at Wachusett... bye! I think I saw you walking around on the Wachusett webcams. Or at least, I saw some dude poking around the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Holy crap, BTV set a record low. I like how the NWS terms it a "rarity" these days. It certainly is! "We broke some low temperature records this morning in a few spots...a rarity these days! Burlington fell to 20 F, Montpelier 14 F, and Massena, NY 18 F, all records. With strong high pressure remaining overhead tonight, chilly temperatures are once again expected. Lows mainly 12-22 F, though locally milder near the Lake Champlain shore, and colder in favored northern mountain hollows. See accompanying map for forecast low temperatures in your general area." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainePhotog Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Down to 37.1°F after a high of 38.3°F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Holy crap, BTV set a record low. I like how the NWS terms it a "rarity" these days. It certainly is! I think BDL was 1 degree away from a record low this morning! (low was 24, record was 23) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 temps has actually dropped out here. back down under 40F. What had you gotten up to? I suspect things will cool fairly quickly initially given the low dews and light winds. 36.0/13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Holy crap, BTV set a record low. I like how the NWS terms it a "rarity" these days. It certainly is! "We broke some low temperature records this morning in a few spots...a rarity these days! Burlington fell to 20 F, Montpelier 14 F, and Massena, NY 18 F, all records. With strong high pressure remaining overhead tonight, chilly temperatures are once again expected. Lows mainly 12-22 F, though locally milder near the Lake Champlain shore, and colder in favored northern mountain hollows. See accompanying map for forecast low temperatures in your general area." Record low for tonight at BTV is 18F...not sure it can make it, but it should get close I would think. Good radiating conditions tonight. High pressure almost directly overhead and those dews are pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What had you gotten up to? I suspect things will cool fairly quickly initially given the low dews and light winds. 36.0/13 IMBY, 42F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 IMBY, 42F. Nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Instead of cluttering up the discussion thread, I decided to reply to these posts over here. Why are you flummoxed by it? It makes sense that it would happen given the volunteer nature of the co-op network which encompasses ~10,000 stations compared to ~270 first order stations. The observations occur at the time the volunteer would most likely be available to do them. The important thing is that it is done at the same time each day. Obviously that can introduce a day lag at times in the daily data when comparing a co-op site versus a first order station where a midnight to midnight schedule is followed. It also helps maintain site continuity. I started keeping a record in 1985 and did so through 1995 as a coop using the AM to AM approach. Since I had the equipment and meteorology background and was used to getting up every morning, I just kept on recording the numbers using the same system that I had been using. The records are my own and there's no sense in me changing methods now. Consistency is the key - same time, same equipment, same methods, same observer. I remember discussion in climatology classes about the differences between schedules and there are pros and cons to each method. I recall specifically my professor saying that one method was not better than another, as long as the record was consistent. The lag time that you mention does happen occasionally and it happens with lows as well as max temps as happened this weekend. I've also seen that with midnight to midnight records. More recently there have been attempts to "correct" data that is not taken midnight to midnight but with the exception for a potential bias in the max temp day, the data should be relatively comparable if you're only comparing one station with another, like I sometimes do. When you start to "massage" the data beyond that, I think there's too much room for bias based on the interpreter to get the numbers that they want, particularly when it's used to justify climate numbers. Oops--I missed your distinction that this was just for the coop sites. Now I understand. 36.6/13 Sorry Mike - I'm the one who opened the can of beans with that one. That being said, my station over in Union should average out below freezing for today (it's currently 28.8°) which is pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Record low for tonight at BTV is 18F...not sure it can make it, but it should get close I would think. Good radiating conditions tonight. High pressure almost directly overhead and those dews are pretty low. The kind of night that Chris in G'field, BAF and others will be 10* cooler than me. Sorry Mike - I'm the one who opened the can of beans with that one. That being said, my station over in Union should average out below freezing for today (it's currently 28.8°) which is pretty cool. Congrats. I just realized that mine has as well. By the skin of the teeth with 31.9* lol. 35.5/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think I saw you walking around on the Wachusett webcams. Or at least, I saw some dude poking around the snow. I had to pick up some forms for our ski club at school. I did swing around the back of the base area to walk around a little and take some pics. Other people were setting up some tubes to snowboard on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I also saw my first skim ice. Not bad for Nov 4 at 3:30PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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