powderfreak Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 How well are BTV and MVL at radiating vs MPV and 1V4? During warm period, better radiating sites often put up smaller positive departures. It could also be some quirkiness int he averages, but I've frequently noticed that during a lot of those warmer periods (but with dry weather), ORH will torch more than anyone else and the radiating sites will get low enough min temps to offset some of the wamth. Well, MVL radiates almost better than both of them on all else being equal. Montpelier at 1,200ft can do a degree or two better sometimes, but often the low level inversion puts MVL at 700ft a little cooler. Especially throughout the summer months I notice it for some reason. 1V4 is just below 700ft and although in the NE side of VT, often its the warmest spot in that part of the state. On paper, MVL and 1V4 should average about the same temperatures, IMO, and MPV is like 1-2F cooler (mostly from daytime highs and any precipitation or cloudy nights, etc...in the means, the extra 500ft of elevation gives them that 1-2F edge). However, on the F6, it thinks that 1V4 should be a degree or two *warmer* than MVL... so while the two spots have similar temperatures all the time, the departures at 1V4 are always 1-2F lower. BTV is just horrific at radiational cooling but I mean, its a 120-year data set so I can't see where that has ever changed in history. The place was bad at radiating in 1950 and its still bad today with funneling winds from either the north or south, along with a 7-mile wide flat lake next to it which is always stirring up the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 What happens to those anamolies if 2010 is taken out. Seems that year skewed your aves a bit PF I have no idea where you guys get those climate maps, but I'd be curious to play around with it. Its fascinating that the yearly temps have averaged near +2 and the winter temps are more moderate near +1.5, lol. This is also mostly the 10 years I've lived up here so that's all I know... warmer than normal months for the most part. I just can't imagine what a -2 or -3 month at BTV would be like... or how cold it would have to be to get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I have no idea where you guys get those climate maps, but I'd be curious to play around with it. Its fascinating that the yearly temps have averaged near +2 and the winter temps are more moderate near +1.5, lol. This is also mostly the 10 years I've lived up here so that's all I know... warmer than normal months for the most part. I just can't imagine what a -2 or -3 month at BTV would be like... or how cold it would have to be to get that. Looks like you got to go back to 2009 up at BTV to get a month colder than -2....July 2009 was -2.4. January 2009 was -4.0. They were -1.4 in November 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The only belly to bellies in my memory were 8-10 week runs. 1993-94 didn't get rolling until nearly New Years. 1960-61 was over in early feb. 1995-96 had long huge warm ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 29 degrees out here now... this cold air has a bite to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 33 here... hopefully Kevin is back from NYC to enjoy his first freeze of the cold season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I hope Kevin is ok. He is time was something like 4:14 suggesting to me the foot was may have hobbled the last miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The only belly to bellies in my memory were 8-10 week runs. 1993-94 didn't get rolling until nearly New Years. 1960-61 was over in early feb. 1995-96 had long huge warm ups. Its very hard to get more than 8-10 weeks of straight cold/snow. If you allow for some minor torches that last less than 3 days, then you can make a case for '70-'71 and '76-'77. '70-'71 of course had the epic cold/snowy December (after a long forgotten huge 4 day torch to enter the month), but then January 1971 was cold as well even if there were some tainted events with brutal cold to start February until finally things thawed mid-month. Boston gained snow cover for good on December 23rd and didn't lose it until the mid-February torch. '76-'77 had cold the whole way in the means...but the snow was delayed to start in December 1976. It finally arrived Christmas night into the 26th. BOS wouldn't lose the snow cover again until February 26th, 1977...including a huge events on Dec 29th, 1976 (12"+) and January 7, 1977 (nearly 14") that are not widely remembered because they were New England-centric. '67-'68 tried to make a run starting a few days before Christmas, but a disastrous torch in early February ruined the momentum and it never really recovered. '63-'64 also had its moments, but too much warmth in January 1964 ruined the continuity of great periods from mid December 1963 and an epic stretch in February 1964. As good as '6-'61 was, there are some hidden torches in there that taint it...in earl Jan 1961, there was enough warmth to wipe out snow cover at least on the coastal plain. And after the December 1960 storm, some marginal mildness caused BOS to barely hold on for a White Christmas...a lot of that snow had melted down. The next closest thing since '76-'77 was definitely '93-'94 where we went nearly 2 months from late December to about February 17th with tons of snow/cold. Then we had a week-long thaw that melted back quite a bit of snow (and all of it in some coastal spots)...and then 2010-2011 when we went about 6-7 weeks until the mid-February torch. For the interior of SNE, 2002-2003 could qualify as a legit belly to belly winter though...and also 2000-2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Great to wake up with it nearly light out as opposed to complete darkness. Sucks that it will be dark at like 5 PM though. I hate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Great to wake up with it nearly light out as opposed to complete darkness. Sucks that it will be dark at like 5 PM though. I hate that Better yet, it was great to have my third-grader wake up on her own rather than having to fight to get her out of bed. Things are going to be rough beginning in a few years. Ugh...... 24.2/15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Better yet, it was great to have my third-grader wake up on her own rather than having to fight to get her out of bed. Things are going to be rough beginning in a few years. Ugh...... 24.2/15 The good news is her days of waking you up on days you dont have to get up are nearly over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Leaves just all dropping this AM with the freezing temps-made it down to 27 here...coldest morning so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The good news is her days of waking you up on days you dont have to get up are nearly over. Unfortunatley, I get up at 5:00a.m every day, so little comfort there. Warming up quickly. 27.9/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Easily coldest day of the season here...was not fun going outside for the bus then walking 3 minutes to class. 3 minutes this time of year feels like 10. It was a biting cold too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whineminster Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 They were making snow at Wachusett this morning....its coming...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 16 was my low. Beat my previous lowest by one degree. Unfortunatley, I get up at 5:00a.m every day, so little comfort there. Warming up quickly. 27.9/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder what it takes to kill the ticks. My cat came in with a wood tick even after the 17 degree morning last week. Hope today did the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 hmmm pretty interesting how in the first 104 years of the TNI data, the December value only plunged below -1.000 12 times. However, since 1990, we have seen the December value plunge 12 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder what it takes to kill the ticks. My cat came in with a wood tick even after the 17 degree morning last week. Hope today did the trick. Actually, the cold doesn't kill them. They'll go 'inactive' once it drops into the lower 40's, but they live for 3 years. In fact, they adults are most likely to be seen during the fall through November. Fortunately, as adults they are easily spotted and quickly removed unlike the nymphs that are sneaky little buggers. 30.6/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder what it takes to kill the ticks. My cat came in with a wood tick even after the 17 degree morning last week. Hope today did the trick. Ticks are hardy. They go down after a long period of deep cold but that's what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I love the shorter days. It has a connection to coming snowfall. Also, the end to a long football season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 They were making snow at Wachusett this morning....its coming...! I'll be damned... did not think they would bother, but looks like they hit Indian Summer, Ralphs, Smith, Challenger, Ollie's It will melt away Thursday I should have looked as I went by on Rte 2. Now that the leaves are down I can see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 cold day. still mid 30s at ORH at noon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantStickers Anonymous Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 41 degrees here, nice fall day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 They were making snow at Wachusett this morning....its coming...! and it will all be gone on Thursday night with the cutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 36.0/14 here at 12:30. I expect the 'around 40*' call from BOX looks pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainePhotog Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 36.0/14 here at 12:30. I expect the 'around 40*' call from BOX looks pretty darn good. 36.8°F here in Bath. With the fall back of an hour, we should be at the warmest part of the day over the next hour. Seriously doubting we hit 40°F here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The Frigidaire in me likes this double departure ice box of a day. Odd here sometimes, some references last week to this as a chilly day but lots of talk about furnacey torch this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The Frigidaire in me likes this double departure ice box of a day. Odd here sometimes, some references last week to this as a chilly day but lots of talk about furnacey torch this week. Didn't find in that bad walkin round the city this AM. 42.7 here at the office ATTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The Frigidaire in me likes this double departure ice box of a day. Odd here sometimes, some references last week to this as a chilly day but lots of talk about furnacey torch this week. it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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