powderfreak Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 This may not be the time or place for this ... but it has been studied that a warming polar region would support more snow. You know .. in a symbolic sort of way, it's like the Earth's way of fighting back against GW. Yeah well it makes a lot of sense. I'd think most locations from like 40 degrees lat and north would see some increase in snowfall with warming temperatures, but then once it hits that critical point you'd see a sharp drop off in snowfall as it gets warmer. Anyway, North America was only 20/46, middle of the road, in October cover this year, but I'd assume that doesn't matter as much as the northern hemisphere as a whole? Or does it just mean Eurasia is packed with snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Snow cover for Oct http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1#eurasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 USA though ranked 5th out of 46. Its a good sign no doubt, look at the dead ratter lists with minimum. We ain"t seeing a dead ratter All Snow predicted style.Does USA snow cover in October really mean anything at all though? The area covered by snow is so small when comparing acres to other parts on those lists.USA ranks 5th while Canada is 20th...still slight better than normal up north...good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Does USA snow cover in October really mean anything at all though? The area covered by snow is so small when comparing acres to other parts on those lists. USA ranks 5th while Canada is 20th...still slight better than normal up north...good news. I don't believe Oct means squat in either country , Nov will be interesting though, we want Canada cold. The feedbacks to NH snow cover are well documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Impressive! Ranked 7th out of 46 year's worth of Octs. Also, interesting that it almost rivaled 1976 ... It's interesting because the latter 1970's were dominated by -AO winters, and the sciences of Cohen and others et al have that October lag correlation with snow pack. Could be useful ? I have been buckin' for a -AO ...Woops, premature postulation ... anyway, I have been buckin' for a -AO winter for some time. For a lot of reasons, but seeing that snow pack gains and sea-ice rate of recovery that we did, was encouraging. Plus, the multi-decadal trend is trying to pass the AO negative. Don't tell that to the SAI crowd who say a moderately positive AO is coming up for this winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Snow cover for Eurasia ranked 4 out of 46? Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Snow cover for Eurasia ranked 4 out of 46? Is that correct? yes and DT is off the hook about it ALERT **** MAJOR DEVELOPMENT WITH REGARD TO WINTER 2013-14.. The OCT SNOW cover numbers from Siberia are in. Even though some mets at various weather forums ( American and some over in Europe) have been assertion n that the snow cover in Siberia and the SAI ( snow advance index) numbers are only average... as you can see from this image... that assertion is now proven to be 100% wrong. The snow cover in Siberia / Eurasia was the 4th HIGHEST ...ever in the last 46 years. The overall snow cover number in the northern Hemisphere is 7th highest at this point anyone asserting that is Now full of ****. WHY is this Important ? -- as I have stated earlier several times recent research has shown that there is strong correlation between Above average snow cover over Siberia in the month of OCT ( and to a lessor degree NOV) and colder than Normal winters... and to a lessor degree ...winter patterns that produce Midwest and east coast snowstorms active. all that being said... it is NOT a dead bang certainty of cold than normal and snowier than Normal winter . There have been 1 or 2 cases with good OCT snow numbers in Siberia that have produced Mild winters. But NOT with numbers this high . This far exceeded my expectations. ...paging accu wx ..Please pick up the courtesy white phone. Reality is calling . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 DT going full weenie mode and with good reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 it's the rate of change that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I miss DT, we need to keep the raging maniacs around makes for lively discussions, but alas Stepford wives is what they want. Oh crap this is banter. Hey 18Z GFS looks cold. congrats PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 it's the rate of change that matters multiple peer reviewed papers disagree with that assertion http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.2341/abstract http://water.columbia.edu/files/2011/11/Gong2003RelativeImpacts.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 DT going full weenie mode and with good reason! So Eurasia is more important than North America, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 So Eurasia is more important than North America, right? absolutely, take the time when you get a chance to read the two papers I linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I miss DT, we need to keep the raging maniacs around makes for lively discussions, but alas Stepford wives is what they want. Oh crap this is banter. Hey 18Z GFS looks cold. congrats PF BTV all over possible snow on Monday night with the front. They've got light snow accums already in the grids. This place is as far from Stepford Wives as possible, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Thats a helluva upslope sig on the GFS for the mts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 DT going full weenie mode and with good reason! Very encouraging--and only with two typos. Bring it on. 51.8/42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 This place is as far from Stepford Wives as possible, lol. Goal, but I wil not banter or even talk about it anymore. Most impressive GFS run of the year for your ski area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 -15 850s with 100% 700 Rh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Thats a helluva snowstorm on the 18Z GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 DT going full weenie mode and with good reason! So Eurasia is more important than North America, right? Specific to October. Sorry I thought this was common knowledge but a lot of folks don't stray out of our own forum. Judah Cohen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Specific to October. Sorry I thought this was common knowledge but a lot of folks don't stray out of our own forum. Judah Cohen. Hes not alone, his theory evolves around rate of increase, many others revolve around region and extent. East Coast weenie snowstorm on the GFS wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modfan Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Thats a helluva snowstorm on the 18Z GFS Would feel better if the Euro had it. You mentioned it being dry earlier, lots of brush fires as of late; South Windham out earlier with a deep seeded one requiring foam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Would feel better if the Euro had it. You mentioned it being dry earlier, lots of brush fires as of late; South Windham out earlier with a deep seeded one requiring foam. Yea its a weenie run for sure though, just fun to see, friggin cold storm too. yea dry as all get up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Just crushes Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 still way to far out and things need to be worked out would love to see the euro catch on again Thats a helluva snowstorm on the 18Z GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Specific to October. Sorry I thought this was common knowledge but a lot of folks don't stray out of our own forum. Judah Cohen. Is DT's winter outlook out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I've seen both assertions and pretty sure rate of change matters. In fact I know in house we thought the best correlation was gains in week 2 and 3. Obviously big snow cover helps, but just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Thats a helluva snowstorm on the 18Z GFSAnything interesting for southeast mass? Or all rain verbatim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 still way to far out and things need to be worked out would love to see the euro catch on again of course , until you see inside 120 with the Euro Op, ENS, GFS ENS on board its pure fantasy, but a helluva fantasy, GFS has me at 10-12+ LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Anything interesting for southeast mass? Or all rain verbatim? Snowstorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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