toronto blizzard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I wouldn't be shocked if its a back end winter, but December and January seem like a wild card. That seems to be the consensus but I sure do hope for a snowy December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 lol. 24F at 9pm. Looks like some high clouds S of here over the Valley so we'll see how low we can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 lol. 24F at 9pm. Looks like some high clouds S of here over the Valley so we'll see how low we can go. 23F here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Where do you see that?last year after the cold spell, lol not seeing it at all just was talking to Dendrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I'm right there with you--lots of bridge jumpers poised to go. I don't see why--I would never sense doom and gloom by indices presented in early November. Sure, might be a stinker, but let's give it a chance! Welcome back to the board--you've been absent. I mean you can look here and see norms on calendar date. How are the dates determined if the daily reporting straddles dates? 36.3/13 I'm right there with you--lots of bridge jumpers poised to go. I don't see why--I would never sense doom and gloom by indices presented in early November. Sure, might be a stinker, but let's give it a chance! Welcome back to the board--you've been absent. I mean you can look here and see norms on calendar date. How are the dates determined if the daily reporting straddles dates? 36.3/13 Thank you Mike. I am happy to be back. Summer is boring to me weatherwise so I usually disappear....especially now given that I spend half the time almost, overseas. I hope we have a winter of shared death bands, just like halloween 2011. Glad you aren't jumping yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 That seems to be the consensus but I sure do hope for a snowy December.You have a good shot at seeing snow at the end of the weekend. After the cutter Ens are cold for a while. They have continued to cool as we get closer. 11-15 is not a lock for torch either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Thank you Mike. I am happy to be back. Summer is boring to me weatherwise so I usually disappear....especially now given that I spend half the time almost, overseas. I hope we have a winter of shared death bands, just like halloween 2011. Glad you aren't jumping yet.hey Mark welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 last year after the cold spell, lol not seeing it at all just was talking to DendriteNow I remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It's cooled for some, not all. Lots of sites have only dropped to around 30. I had a high of 36, and my temp "bombed" from 35* at 4:00p.m. to 32* at 5:00. I've continued to bomb an additional 2* in the subsequent 3 hours. I love being called a liar. I think you're lying, Dave. Heh, bad choice of word -- my bad. What I meant was not telling the truth in the sense of an exaggeration, and *(I'm probably wrong here, before you pop) exaggerating more for the sole intent of making a contrary post. Which if so, I didn't see as necessary. But no ...I don't/didn't think you were "lying" per se. Fact of the matter is, the cloud shield is as expected, not advancing readily, and those clouds you saw, evaporated, exposing the true nature of this air mass giving rise to primarily a clear evening, and falling temps. There are some entrails of cloud debris occasionally skirting through, but even ALB only reports SCT, and have found their way down to 28. I still think it gets colder tonight, then last night, for many sites. 24 where I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 SON of sandy What were the dates on that storm? That was the one that pretty much brought snow to the NJ beaches after they got destroyed like a week earlier, right? Was that the same one that Blizz and I84 corridor jackpotted in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 23F here Nice, you radiate well there. Far enough from the coast to get some of the lowest temps in the "Hockomock Triangle" Down to 22F at 10pm. Sky still clear overhead so hopefully, teens here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 What were the dates on that storm? That was the one that pretty much brought snow to the NJ beaches after they got destroyed like a week earlier, right? Was that the same one that Blizz and I84 corridor jackpotted in? http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/pnsevents/Nov_07-08_2012/Nov_07-08_2012_BOXPNS.txt Keep in mind the storm didn't end until the morning of the 8th...so those reports from the night before are incomplete (pet peeve of mine when they are left in the PNS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Yeah the torch looks Central U.S. focused even more so today and ends up close to normal in New England..Pattern is hostile though and as Scott has mentioned, it would be pacific air across much of Canada if this 11-15 day came to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 What were the dates on that storm? That was the one that pretty much brought snow to the NJ beaches after they got destroyed like a week earlier, right? Was that the same one that Blizz and I84 corridor jackpotted in? This was a fun storm indeed. I was in Stamford CT where we got around 6", but back home in NJ where I grew up came very close to that random jackpot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/pnsevents/Nov_07-08_2012/Nov_07-08_2012_BOXPNS.txt Keep in mind the storm didn't end until the morning of the 8th...so those reports from the night before are incomplete (pet peeve of mine when they are left in the PNS) LOL I hate that too...when there are a bunch or reports missing like another 8 hours of snowfall in the "final" PNS. Interesting though seeing Southbridge as the jackpot...probably one of the only times that'll ever happen. My family's place in North Woodstock is right over the border with Southbridge and that place is a pit. It's also like one of the lowest elevations around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 LOL I hate that too...when there are a bunch or reports missing like another 8 hours of snowfall in the "final" PNS. Interesting though seeing Southbridge as the jackpot...probably one of the only times that'll ever happen. My family's place in North Woodstock is right over the border with Southbridge and that place is a pit. It's also like one of the lowest elevations around there. The Southbridge coop isn't low elevation though, its like 720 feet I believe. The downtown area though I think is in a valley there. I'm not sure if that reading was the coop but I bet it was. They were also close to the jackpot in the November 27, 2002 event the day before Thanksgiving. But yeah, its not a common area for a jackpot...you normally need a system that is slightly south of ideal for BOS/ORH...which this one was. It means its good for south of the pike. Though ORH was just far enough south...as about 10 miles north got less than 2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Yeah the torch looks Central U.S. focused even more so today and ends up close to normal in New England..Pattern is hostile though and as Scott has mentioned, it would be pacific air across much of Canada if this 11-15 day came to fruition. It's funny ... I was noticing just in the operational runs of both the Euro and GFS how the EPO domain seems to try and retrograde so much that we're seeing a parade of outside sliders just off the west coast. The normal wave spacing for that does allow for some lowering tendency over the NE U.S., as ridging in means may locate a tad further west, and that may be why we are seeing more NW flow intervals locally. In fact the last couple of runs of the GFS even cut off a deep vortex around 140W/45N in the extended, and that would teleconnect to some kind of ridging closer to the front range of the Rockies, perhaps a bit west of that even, if that were to transpire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It's funny ... I was noticing just in the operational runs of both the Euro and GFS how the EPO domain seems to try and retrograde so much that we're seeing a parade of outside sliders just off the west coast. The normal wave spacing for that does allow for some lowering tendency over the NE U.S., as ridging in means may locate a tad further west, and that may be why we are seeing more NW flow intervals locally. In fact the last couple of runs of the GFS even cut off a deep vortex around 140W/45N in the extended, and that would teleconnect to some kind of ridging closer to the front range of the Rockies if that were to transpire. short wavelengths still here in mid-Novy, definitely not all that unimaginable..especially if that aleutian high to GOA trough is as meridional as some of these gfs runs. So definite questions for New England, but this is a very warm pattern for the heart of the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Pretty evenly cold night across New England...MVL in N.VT radiating the same as TAN in SE MA. Pretty even temps in the low to mid 20s across most of the interior. Looks like Tolland County is the warmest interior county, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The Southbridge coop isn't low elevation though, its like 720 feet I believe. The downtown area though I think is in a valley there. I'm not sure if that reading was the coop but I bet it was. They were also close to the jackpot in the November 27, 2002 event the day before Thanksgiving. But yeah, its not a common area for a jackpot...you normally need a system that is slightly south of ideal for BOS/ORH...which this one was. It means its good for south of the pike. Though ORH was just far enough south...as about 10 miles north got less than 2". Ahhh, yeah the center of Southbridge is like 300-400ft I think, but that 720ft coop elevation makes me think it's probably literally on the border with CT, which I think is the highest part of town leading into the Woodstock/Union hills. Was that 2002 event like a 4-5inch storm? I seem to remember a system over-performing while spending Thanksgiving in Woodstock...early 2000s...but it was a light event that seemed to over perform locally at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ahhh, yeah the center of Southbridge is like 300-400ft I think, but that 720ft coop elevation makes me think it's probably literally on the border with CT, which I think is the highest part of town leading into the Woodstock/Union hills. Was that 2002 event like a 4-5inch storm? I seem to remember a system over-performing while spending Thanksgiving in Woodstock...early 2000s...but it was a light event that seemed to over perform locally at least. It was better than that...a solid 6-10" over achiever. The forecast was for advisory snows of 3-5" or so. I remember it well being home on Thanksgiving break from Cornell. I watched the 00z ETA the night before and said "we might get 6" out of this" and it happened...the storm was fast moving, but very intense. Like most of the snow fell in a good 3 hour heavy burst between 6am and 9am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ahh, that's not the one I'm thinking of then. Was there a Thanksgiving time frame light event in Nov 2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ahh, that's not the one I'm thinking of then. Was there a Thanksgiving time frame light event in Nov 2000? There was one on Thanksgiving morning of 2005 which produced 2-4"...fell early in the morning and was probably done by 9 or 10am...otherwise you might be thinking of the event on Friday night after Thanksgiving 2002...we had a quick 2-3" of snow from an over producing warm front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 There was one on Thanksgiving morning of 2005 which produced 2-4"...fell early in the morning and was probably done by 9 or 10am...otherwise you might be thinking of the event on Friday night after Thanksgiving 2002...we had a quick 2-3" of snow from an over producing warm front.It was probably 2002 the Friday after Thanksgiving...that was the last year I was able to get down there for Thanksgiving. I just remember thinking the forecast was for like a chance of light snow and we ended up with like 3-4" of snow. It was daytime snow and it came down pretty steadily for a time. It was definitely a little over-performer but was no more than 4" at most.Edit: maybe it was 2005, lol. But I was well into college then so I'm not sure if I would've been in Woodstock for that. But it definitely was during the daylight hours, maybe only morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Ahhh, yeah the center of Southbridge is like 300-400ft I think, but that 720ft coop elevation makes me think it's probably literally on the border with CT, which I think is the highest part of town leading into the Woodstock/Union hills. Was that 2002 event like a 4-5inch storm? I seem to remember a system over-performing while spending Thanksgiving in Woodstock...early 2000s...but it was a light event that seemed to over perform locally at least. The center is 400-500 feet, Wills right, the coop is over 700 feet and its where you're thinking near the CT border. I'm on the CT border less than a mile from Woodstock. What's that about being a pit again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 What were the dates on that storm? That was the one that pretty much brought snow to the NJ beaches after they got destroyed like a week earlier, right? Was that the same one that Blizz and I84 corridor jackpotted in? That was a wild storm, Nov 7th 2012, 6-12" of wind-blown snow across a wide area just a week after Sandy... the highest amounts of snow were supposed to hit Philly, but buried the NJ coast instead. I still remember watching Mike Seidel broadcasting from the same spot on Point Pleasant Beach that he covered Sandy... just a surreal scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 yup thats it!! pretty neat to see so many of them! actually saw some late afternoon weeks ago here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 nice storm on the Euro day 10 even though it would be mostly rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 28.4 when I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 There was one on Thanksgiving morning of 2005 which produced 2-4"...fell early in the morning and was probably done by 9 or 10am...otherwise you might be thinking of the event on Friday night after Thanksgiving 2002...we had a quick 2-3" of snow from an over producing warm front.That 2005 event made a mess of the roads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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