WeatherNC Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Ptype maps have rain to snow in NC Mtns, TN, far north AL/GA as the 500mb low sweeps through. Looks like your run of the mill noreaster. Yep, starting to see evidence of a slot along 95 from SC up into S VA, that fits the bill for a system tracking right along the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Maybe where you are, but November 2012 was definitely warmer than this November currently is here. Thanksgiving week might just be enough to end the month at the very least slightly below average. At KATL, Nov. 1-21 2012 and Nov. 1-21 2013 are just about identical with departures of ~-1.5 F vs. normal. Nov. 2013 will almost certainly end up colder due to the upcoming cold expected to be colder than last year's late Nov. Edit: cold projections for the rest of the month bring Nov. 2013 down to close to 3 F below normal vs. Nov. 2012 as a whole at 1.2 below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion_NC_WX Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 With all this rain shown on the models, I'll gladly take a rain storm for Thanksgiving that can go up the coast, bomb out and initiate some blocking pattern... Another STJ feature in the Southwest by Day 7... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Looks like I will be taking a trip to the mountains to see some snow next week. Looks like 2-5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The 11-15 day 0Z Goofy is one of the goofiest runs I've ever seen. Is it on crack or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The 11-15 day 0Z Goofy is one of the goofiest runs I've ever seen. Is it on crack or what? No that's just your typical delayed winter storm that never really happens and keeps getting pushed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I love the track of the second low, but my run stops with a couple of days left. Can I get your speedy maps if I get an abacus? T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh, yeah, frame 47 is sure to happen Heck I saw a white Xmas once, lol, and that was as near impossible as this is T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I love the track of the second low, but my run stops with a couple of days left. Can I get your speedy maps if I get an abacus? T the instant weather maps site has the full run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh, yeah, frame 47 is sure to happen Heck I saw a white Xmas once, lol, and that was as near impossible as this is T The clown that makes the clown snow maps is laughing hard right now. It has 1" of S in parts of SW GA lmao. It also has 2-3" near Rome and a major 4-8" storm for E TN for 12/7. May G-d bless the GFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 good lord, the gulf dries out and empties on top of us at the end of the run, with cold air on the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Is it just me or are snow shadows becoming more frequent in the foothills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjames1992 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The GFS post-truncation was just ridiculous. I've never seen a run like that. Strong lows everywhere, ridiculous storm tracks, wraparound snows abounding, snow in the Gulf... EDIT: And then the NOGAPS is so suppressed that central NC doesn't even see any precipitation as the storm scoots across the FL peninsula and OTS. But, yeah, it's the NOGAPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1122 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 A few years ago I spent almost month from December into January calculating my GFS fantasy snow totals post 192 hours. It was somewhere over 150 when I gave up counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see much chance of sn, ip, or z this week yet, not 'til I see a colder cad, and a lower track..... but now the long range I believe, lol. Maybe not as depicted...... but something similar in Dec seems rational. Ya'll are forgetting that CR reversed the maps, so the short range is the long range, and vise versa. Way to go, CR!! T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 144hr EURO hr162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopplerWx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 everyone is probably asleep but the euro was a great run for nc/sc/ga. tgiving morning snowfall for just about all posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 everyone is probably asleep but the euro was a great run for nc/sc/ga. tgiving morning snowfall for just about all posters. around 1 inch of mixed junk in cae. ;/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCatawba Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 NWS Raleigh While partial thicknesses from both the European model (ecmwf) and the GFS are liquid Tuesday through Wednesday...an earlier onset...given the expected dry air at the surface and the appearance of the profiles on the model soundings...could lenditself to something briefly mixed especially over the northwest Piedmont. Leaning toward later at least for onset...will have allrain in the forecast and keep temperatures above freezing Tuesday through Wednesday night...through the latter in deference to the GFS which is now much slower and later with precipitation departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 NWS Raleigh While partial thicknesses from both the European model (ecmwf) and the GFS are liquid Tuesday through Wednesday...an earlier onset...given the expected dry air at the surface and the appearance of the profiles on the model soundings...could lend itself to something briefly mixed especially over the northwest Piedmont. Leaning toward later at least for onset...will have all rain in the forecast and keep temperatures above freezing Tuesday through Wednesday night...through the latter in deference to the GFS which is now much slower and later with precipitation departure. I could see a lot of people starting out as a brief period of sleet. Definitely not uncommon, even in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downeastnc Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Love the Euro that would be my yearly average by Thanksgiving lol but realistically speaking its pretty unlikely that said the latest from RAH is a awesome read .LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... -- Changed Discussion -- AS OF 240 AM FRIDAY...PRE-DOMINATELY RAIN... WITH SOME WET SNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING(TUESDAY AND POSSIBLY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON) IN THE TRIAD? IT WOULDNOT BE UNPRECEDENTED.FIRST THINGS FIRST... THE ARCTIC HIGH WILL BE OVER KS/MO AT 1040+ MBSUNDAY. STRONG CAA AND VERY DRY AIR WILL BRING BRILLIANT SUNSHINESUNDAY. HOWEVER... HIGHS OF 35-42 ARE SUPPORTED BY LOW LEVELTHICKNESSES NW TO SE. THESE READINGS WILL BE A GOOD 20-25 DEGREESBELOW NORMAL WITH FULL SUN. VERY COLD SUNDAY NIGHT... AND CLEAR.LOWS 17-22 EXCEPT 22-25 IN THE URBAN CENTERS. MONDAY... INCREASINGHIGH CLOUDS AND CONTINUED COLD... BUT LIGHT AND VARIABLE WIND. HIGHS40-45.NOW FOR THE PRECIPITATION EVENT TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY...ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MANY CASES OF A TRACE TO AN INCH OFSNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING IN CENTRAL NC IN THE PAST 50 YEARS... THEREESSENTIALLY HAVE BEEN NO MAJOR WINTER STORMS OF RECORD BEFORETHANKSGIVING... SINCE 1970. CLIMATOLOGY TELLS US THAT IT MAY BE SOMESNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING... BUT IT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED TO GET AMAJOR WINTER STORM THIS EARLY.THAT IS CLIMATOLOGY - NOW FOR THE METEOROLOGY...A COUPLE OF MAJOR ISSUES TO CONSIDER WITH WINTER WEATHER IN CENTRALNC... THE VERY COLD ARCTIC AIR WILL BE IN PLACE SUNDAY INTOMONDAY... EXITING AS THE PARENT HIGH SHIFTS OFFSHORE TUESDAY. THEEXITING OF THE ARCTIC HIGH IS CRITICAL. REMEMBER... CENTRAL NC NEEDSA PARENT ARCTIC HIGH TO BE STRONG ENOUGH (THIS IS)... BUT IN THEPROPER PLACE TO DELIVER COLD AIR (GREAT LAKES TO PA/NY)... SINCE OURHIGH WILL BE MOVING AWAY... OUR COLD AIR SOURCE WILL BE TOO. THISSTRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT EVEN IF THE PRECIPITATION DEVELOPS EARLYENOUGH TUESDAY (AS THERE WILL BE QUITE A LAYER OF VERY DRY COLD AIRSTILL IN PLACE OVER CENTRAL NC)... THE AIR MASS WILL BE MODIFYINGRAPIDLY DURING THE MORNING WITH THE EXITING HIGH PRESSURE.THEREFORE... ANY SNOW SHOULD QUICKLY TURN TO RAIN THROUGH THEMORNING... AND THE SNOW WOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANT.NEXT... THE STORM ITSELF... WILL THERE BE PHASING OF THE SOUTHERNSYSTEM WITH THE POLAR JET - AND IN TIME TO INDUCE A COASTAL STORM?ALSO... THE TRACK/STRENGTH OF THE MID/UPPER LOW ARE STILL INQUESTION. THE TRACK MUST BE NEARLY A PERFECT ONE JUST TO OUR SOUTHAND EAST / AND STRONG ENOUGH... TO GENERATE ENOUGH COLD AIR FORSNOW. WITHOUT A STRONG "CUT OFF LOW" ALOFT AND WITH THE ARCTIC AIREXITING... THERE IS LITTLE CHANCE OF ACCUMULATING SNOW THIS EARLY INTHE WINTER SEASON. HOWEVER... STILL LOTS OF QUESTIONS STILL TO BEANSWERED.CURRENTLY... THE MODELS FORECAST STORM TRACK AND STRENGTHARE STILL UNCERTAIN. HOWEVER... MOST MODELS ARE FORECASTING ACOASTAL SURFACE LOW WHICH WOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR WINTRY PRECIPINLAND IF THE COLD AIR WERE IN PLACE (APPEARS NOT LIKELY ASMENTIONED ABOVE IN THIS CASE). IN FACT... MOST MODEL SOLUTIONSOVERWHELM OUR REGION WITH WAA WITH RISING THICKNESSES OUT AHEAD OFTHE APPROACHING MID/UPPER LOW AND DEPARTURE OF COLD HIGH.HOW ABOUT NUISANCE SNOW/RAIN AT PRECIP ONSET TUESDAY?? SOME MODELSDO BRING SOME LIGHT QPF INTO THE WESTERN PIEDMONT BETWEEN 12Z-15ZTUE. IF THIS OCCURS... THERE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH LINGERING COLD DRYAIR TO ALLOW FOR A BRIEF RAIN/SNOW MIX AT ONSET IN THE TRIAD. YET...PARTIALS IN THE 1000/850 AND 700/850 LEVELS ARE COLD ENOUGH (1540-1550 AND 1300-1310)BETWEEN 12Z-15Z TUESDAY.. IF THE PRECIP CAN REACHTHE GROUND IN THE VERY DRY AIR. HOWEVER... THESE PARTIALS RISEQUICKLY ESPECIALLY IN THE 1000-850 LEVEL DURING THE MORNING... WITHALL GUIDANCE SUGGESTING 1310+ AND RISING TAKING PRECIP TO ALLRAIN.THE EARLY ARRIVAL OF THE PRECIPITATION TUESDAY IS STILLQUESTIONABLE AS ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE SOLUTIONS INDICATE SOMELIGHT QPF BETWEEN 12Z-15Z INTO THE WESTERN PIEDMONT. THE AIR MASSWILL BE VERY DRY WITH DEW POINTS IN THE UPPER TEENS AND 20S AROUND12Z... BUT WARMING ALOFT AND THE DIURNAL CYCLE ITSELF SHOULD OFFSETTHE EVAPORATIVE COOLING PROCESSES... WITH TEMPS RISING ABOVE 32DURING BETWEEN 13Z-15Z. IF A LATER ARRIVAL OF PRECIPITATION... THENTHE BOUNDARY LAYER SHOULD WARM ENOUGH TO PREVENT ANYTHING OTHER THANLIGHT RAIN BY LATE TUESDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON. FOR NOW... ITAPPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH MOISTURE THAT ARRIVES BETWEEN12Z-15Z TO WARRANT A MENTION OF LIGHT RAIN/SNOW MIXTURE IN THETRIAD... WITH NO ACCUMULATION... QUICKLY CHANGING TO RAIN DURING MIDTO LATE MORNING.ELSEWHERE... A CHANCE OF RAIN TUESDAY MORNING WITH RAIN LIKELY ALLZONES TUESDAY AFTERNOON. AT LEAST SOME IN-SITU DAMMING SHOULD ENSUETUESDAY INTO TUESDAY NIGHT OVER THE PIEDMONT DAMMING REGION AS THEEVAPORATIVE COOLING WILL BE ENOUGH TO KEEP TEMPERATURES IN THE MIDTO UPPER 30S UNLESS THE RAIN ARRIVES MUCH LATER IN THE DAY. HIGHS INTHE CENTRAL AND EASTERN ZONES SHOULD REMAIN CHILLY AS WELL AND MAYHOLD AROUND OR NEAR 40 ALL DAY. QPF SHOULD PICK UP TO AROUND 0.25BETWEEN 18Z/TUE AND 00Z/WED. REMEMBER THAT THE SOIL TEMPS ARE STILLWARM... IN THE 50S... BUT COOLING. THEY NEED TO BE 45 OR LOWER TO BEFAVORABLE FOR ACCU SNOW ESPECIALLY IF IT FALLS DURING THE DAY.ONE MORE POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING WINTERY... THE MID/UPPER LOW MAYSTILL TRACK JUST TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST... WITH LOWERING TEMPS ALOFTIF THAT OCCURS WEDNESDAY AS THE MAIN SURFACE LOW BEGINS TO TRACK UPTHE NC AND MID-ATLANTIC COAST. EVEN IF THIS OCCURS... IT APPEARSTHAT ONLY THE PIEDMONT WOULD BE FAVORED FOR A POTENTIAL CHANGE-OVERBEFORE ENDING. EVEN IF THIS OCCURS... A WET GROUND... UNFAVORABLESOIL TEMPS AND DIURNAL CYCLE (DAYTIME WED) WOULD NOT FAVORSUBSTANTIAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS UNLESS THE MID/UPPER LOW IS STRONGERTHAN MOST MODELS CURRENTLY PROJECT. AGAIN... THE TRACK/STRENGTH OFTHE MID/UPPER LOW WED COMBINED WITH ANY PHASING OF THE SYSTEM WITHTHE POLAR JET HAVE YET TO BE RESOLVED. UNTIL SO... WE WILL CARRYPREDOMINATE RAIN AS P-TYPE... THROUGHOUT THE EVENT WITH PARTIALSSAFELY IN THE RAIN CATEGORY.IF WE TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THE ENSEMBLES AND DETERMINISTIC MODELS...THERE MAY BE A BRIEF RAIN/SNOW MIX IN THE NW AT THE PRECIPITATIONONSET TUESDAY... BUT WAA SHOULD OVERWHELM THE COLUMN BY 15Z-18Z...WITH ALL RAIN THEREAFTER. THERE MAY BE A BRIEF MIX OR CHANGE-OVERWEDNESDAY... (IF) AND A BIG (IF)... THE TRAILING MID/UPPER LOW ISSTRONG AND TAKES THE PERFECT TRACK. TOO MANY IF`S TO INCLUDE MENTIONOF WINTRY CHANGE-OVER FOR WEDNESDAY IN THE PIEDMONT.OUR FORECAST WILL BE AS FOLLOWS... RAIN DEVELOPING TUESDAY. SOMELIGHT SNOW OR BRIEF MIX POSSIBLE IN THE NW PIEDMONT AT ONSET (NOSNOW ACCUMULATION) HIGHS 36-42. PERIODS OF RAIN TUESDAY NIGHT ANDWEDNESDAY. LOWS 34-40. HIGHS 38-50 NW TO SE. MOST IMPORTANTLY... QPFOF 1+ INCH FOR STORM TOTALS... A GOOD SOAKING IN WHICH IS NEEDED TOTEMPER THE CURRENT ABNORMALLY DRY CONDITIONS.FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY... COLDER AND DRIER AGAIN WITHANOTHER SHOT OF ARCTIC AIR. CLEARING. LOWS IN THE 20S TO LOWER 30S.HIGHS THURSDAY IN THE UPPER 30S TO MID 40S. -- End Changed Discussion -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Great write-up from RAH last night: .LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... AS OF 240 AM FRIDAY... PRE-DOMINATELY RAIN... WITH SOME WET SNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING (TUESDAY AND POSSIBLY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON) IN THE TRIAD? IT WOULD NOT BE UNPRECEDENTED. FIRST THINGS FIRST... THE ARCTIC HIGH WILL BE OVER KS/MO AT 1040+ MB SUNDAY. STRONG CAA AND VERY DRY AIR WILL BRING BRILLIANT SUNSHINE SUNDAY. HOWEVER... HIGHS OF 35-42 ARE SUPPORTED BY LOW LEVEL THICKNESSES NW TO SE. THESE READINGS WILL BE A GOOD 20-25 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL WITH FULL SUN. VERY COLD SUNDAY NIGHT... AND CLEAR. LOWS 17-22 EXCEPT 22-25 IN THE URBAN CENTERS. MONDAY... INCREASING HIGH CLOUDS AND CONTINUED COLD... BUT LIGHT AND VARIABLE WIND. HIGHS 40-45. NOW FOR THE PRECIPITATION EVENT TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY... ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MANY CASES OF A TRACE TO AN INCH OF SNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING IN CENTRAL NC IN THE PAST 50 YEARS... THERE ESSENTIALLY HAVE BEEN NO MAJOR WINTER STORMS OF RECORD BEFORE THANKSGIVING... SINCE 1970. CLIMATOLOGY TELLS US THAT IT MAY BE SOME SNOW BEFORE THANKSGIVING... BUT IT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED TO GET A MAJOR WINTER STORM THIS EARLY. THAT IS CLIMATOLOGY - NOW FOR THE METEOROLOGY... A COUPLE OF MAJOR ISSUES TO CONSIDER WITH WINTER WEATHER IN CENTRAL NC... THE VERY COLD ARCTIC AIR WILL BE IN PLACE SUNDAY INTO MONDAY... EXITING AS THE PARENT HIGH SHIFTS OFFSHORE TUESDAY. THE EXITING OF THE ARCTIC HIGH IS CRITICAL. REMEMBER... CENTRAL NC NEEDS A PARENT ARCTIC HIGH TO BE STRONG ENOUGH (THIS IS)... BUT IN THE PROPER PLACE TO DELIVER COLD AIR (GREAT LAKES TO PA/NY)... SINCE OUR HIGH WILL BE MOVING AWAY... OUR COLD AIR SOURCE WILL BE TOO. THIS STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT EVEN IF THE PRECIPITATION DEVELOPS EARLY ENOUGH TUESDAY (AS THERE WILL BE QUITE A LAYER OF VERY DRY COLD AIR STILL IN PLACE OVER CENTRAL NC)... THE AIR MASS WILL BE MODIFYING RAPIDLY DURING THE MORNING WITH THE EXITING HIGH PRESSURE. THEREFORE... ANY SNOW SHOULD QUICKLY TURN TO RAIN THROUGH THE MORNING... AND THE SNOW WOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANT. NEXT... THE STORM ITSELF... WILL THERE BE PHASING OF THE SOUTHERN SYSTEM WITH THE POLAR JET - AND IN TIME TO INDUCE A COASTAL STORM? ALSO... THE TRACK/STRENGTH OF THE MID/UPPER LOW ARE STILL IN QUESTION. THE TRACK MUST BE NEARLY A PERFECT ONE JUST TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST / AND STRONG ENOUGH... TO GENERATE ENOUGH COLD AIR FOR SNOW. WITHOUT A STRONG "CUT OFF LOW" ALOFT AND WITH THE ARCTIC AIR EXITING... THERE IS LITTLE CHANCE OF ACCUMULATING SNOW THIS EARLY IN THE WINTER SEASON. HOWEVER... STILL LOTS OF QUESTIONS STILL TO BE ANSWERED. CURRENTLY... THE MODELS FORECAST STORM TRACK AND STRENGTH ARE STILL UNCERTAIN. HOWEVER... MOST MODELS ARE FORECASTING A COASTAL SURFACE LOW WHICH WOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR WINTRY PRECIP INLAND IF THE COLD AIR WERE IN PLACE (APPEARS NOT LIKELY AS MENTIONED ABOVE IN THIS CASE). IN FACT... MOST MODEL SOLUTIONS OVERWHELM OUR REGION WITH WAA WITH RISING THICKNESSES OUT AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING MID/UPPER LOW AND DEPARTURE OF COLD HIGH. HOW ABOUT NUISANCE SNOW/RAIN AT PRECIP ONSET TUESDAY?? SOME MODELS DO BRING SOME LIGHT QPF INTO THE WESTERN PIEDMONT BETWEEN 12Z-15Z TUE. IF THIS OCCURS... THERE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH LINGERING COLD DRY AIR TO ALLOW FOR A BRIEF RAIN/SNOW MIX AT ONSET IN THE TRIAD. YET... PARTIALS IN THE 1000/850 AND 700/850 LEVELS ARE COLD ENOUGH (1540- 1550 AND 1300-1310)BETWEEN 12Z-15Z TUESDAY.. IF THE PRECIP CAN REACH THE GROUND IN THE VERY DRY AIR. HOWEVER... THESE PARTIALS RISE QUICKLY ESPECIALLY IN THE 1000-850 LEVEL DURING THE MORNING... WITH ALL GUIDANCE SUGGESTING 1310+ AND RISING TAKING PRECIP TO ALL RAIN.THE EARLY ARRIVAL OF THE PRECIPITATION TUESDAY IS STILL QUESTIONABLE AS ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE SOLUTIONS INDICATE SOME LIGHT QPF BETWEEN 12Z-15Z INTO THE WESTERN PIEDMONT. THE AIR MASS WILL BE VERY DRY WITH DEW POINTS IN THE UPPER TEENS AND 20S AROUND 12Z... BUT WARMING ALOFT AND THE DIURNAL CYCLE ITSELF SHOULD OFFSET THE EVAPORATIVE COOLING PROCESSES... WITH TEMPS RISING ABOVE 32 DURING BETWEEN 13Z-15Z. IF A LATER ARRIVAL OF PRECIPITATION... THEN THE BOUNDARY LAYER SHOULD WARM ENOUGH TO PREVENT ANYTHING OTHER THAN LIGHT RAIN BY LATE TUESDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON. FOR NOW... IT APPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH MOISTURE THAT ARRIVES BETWEEN 12Z-15Z TO WARRANT A MENTION OF LIGHT RAIN/SNOW MIXTURE IN THE TRIAD... WITH NO ACCUMULATION... QUICKLY CHANGING TO RAIN DURING MID TO LATE MORNING. ELSEWHERE... A CHANCE OF RAIN TUESDAY MORNING WITH RAIN LIKELY ALL ZONES TUESDAY AFTERNOON. AT LEAST SOME IN-SITU DAMMING SHOULD ENSUE TUESDAY INTO TUESDAY NIGHT OVER THE PIEDMONT DAMMING REGION AS THE EVAPORATIVE COOLING WILL BE ENOUGH TO KEEP TEMPERATURES IN THE MID TO UPPER 30S UNLESS THE RAIN ARRIVES MUCH LATER IN THE DAY. HIGHS IN THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN ZONES SHOULD REMAIN CHILLY AS WELL AND MAY HOLD AROUND OR NEAR 40 ALL DAY. QPF SHOULD PICK UP TO AROUND 0.25 BETWEEN 18Z/TUE AND 00Z/WED. REMEMBER THAT THE SOIL TEMPS ARE STILL WARM... IN THE 50S... BUT COOLING. THEY NEED TO BE 45 OR LOWER TO BE FAVORABLE FOR ACCU SNOW ESPECIALLY IF IT FALLS DURING THE DAY. ONE MORE POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING WINTERY... THE MID/UPPER LOW MAY STILL TRACK JUST TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST... WITH LOWERING TEMPS ALOFT IF THAT OCCURS WEDNESDAY AS THE MAIN SURFACE LOW BEGINS TO TRACK UP THE NC AND MID-ATLANTIC COAST. EVEN IF THIS OCCURS... IT APPEARS THAT ONLY THE PIEDMONT WOULD BE FAVORED FOR A POTENTIAL CHANGE-OVER BEFORE ENDING. EVEN IF THIS OCCURS... A WET GROUND... UNFAVORABLE SOIL TEMPS AND DIURNAL CYCLE (DAYTIME WED) WOULD NOT FAVOR SUBSTANTIAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS UNLESS THE MID/UPPER LOW IS STRONGER THAN MOST MODELS CURRENTLY PROJECT. AGAIN... THE TRACK/STRENGTH OF THE MID/UPPER LOW WED COMBINED WITH ANY PHASING OF THE SYSTEM WITH THE POLAR JET HAVE YET TO BE RESOLVED. UNTIL SO... WE WILL CARRY PREDOMINATE RAIN AS P-TYPE... THROUGHOUT THE EVENT WITH PARTIALS SAFELY IN THE RAIN CATEGORY. IF WE TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THE ENSEMBLES AND DETERMINISTIC MODELS... THERE MAY BE A BRIEF RAIN/SNOW MIX IN THE NW AT THE PRECIPITATION ONSET TUESDAY... BUT WAA SHOULD OVERWHELM THE COLUMN BY 15Z-18Z... WITH ALL RAIN THEREAFTER. THERE MAY BE A BRIEF MIX OR CHANGE-OVER WEDNESDAY... (IF) AND A BIG (IF)... THE TRAILING MID/UPPER LOW IS STRONG AND TAKES THE PERFECT TRACK. TOO MANY IF`S TO INCLUDE MENTION OF WINTRY CHANGE-OVER FOR WEDNESDAY IN THE PIEDMONT. OUR FORECAST WILL BE AS FOLLOWS... RAIN DEVELOPING TUESDAY. SOME LIGHT SNOW OR BRIEF MIX POSSIBLE IN THE NW PIEDMONT AT ONSET (NO SNOW ACCUMULATION) HIGHS 36-42. PERIODS OF RAIN TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY. LOWS 34-40. HIGHS 38-50 NW TO SE. MOST IMPORTANTLY... QPF OF 1+ INCH FOR STORM TOTALS... A GOOD SOAKING IN WHICH IS NEEDED TO TEMPER THE CURRENT ABNORMALLY DRY CONDITIONS. FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY... COLDER AND DRIER AGAIN WITH ANOTHER SHOT OF ARCTIC AIR. CLEARING. LOWS IN THE 20S TO LOWER 30S. HIGHS THURSDAY IN THE UPPER 30S TO MID 40S. && Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 LOL.....DownEast you beat me to it. I will say it looks like RAH is leaving the door open for something "funny" to occur; but they are staying with the predominantly rain forecast(which seems reasonable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgertime Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 To me GFS is starting to have probably a more realistic solution. Euro is def. what I'll be pulling for but climo says GFS is probably correct with just a frontal passage and some cold air on the back end once that low scoots out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheelwx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Can someone summarize the 00z euro snow totals for NC or possibly post aap? TW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus1 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Is it just me or are snow shadows becoming more frequent in the foothills? Hence the words beneath my avatar. The snow shadows did seem to happen frequently the last two winters. And the earlier event this year behaved similarly with Charlotte and points SE seeing snow, but not Hickory. Whenever precipitation comes from the NW, the shadow is almost guaranteed. If it comes from the SW, we have a much better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thanksgiving Forecast Discussion from Raysweather for the NC NW High Country We have two "Big Deals" to cover in the forecast today: 1) the coldest air of the season arriving this weekend and 2) a low tracking across the Southeast and up the East Coast next week threatening pre-Thanksgiving travel. A front is approaching from the west today and will pass through the Appalachians later tonight. Temperatures today are milder. We'll have plenty of mild/dry hours between early AM fog lifting and light rain or drizzle developing later this afternoon. Light rain and drizzle continues tonight. Big Deal #1... The frontal passage is a few hours faster than we thought yesterday. So, virtually all the rain will be to our east Saturday; however, we do have to leave the door open for early light rain or drizzle Saturday morning and flurries later Saturday into Saturday night. Colder air begins its siege Saturday afternoon and takes full control Saturday night. Sunday promises to be the coldest day of the season to date with clear skies. Big Deal #2... An upper-level low in Southern California today moves east and spawns surface low pressure in the western Gulf Monday. With the super-cold air laid down this weekend in front of this system, the stakes are raised for some icing at the onset of precipitation. While the bulk of this even will be rain (Tuesday afternoon to Wednesday morning), a wintry mix is possible late Monday night into Tuesday morning. Then precipitation may end as snow or snow showers Wednesday. Keep an eye on these important travel days as we bet closer in time. As an aside, we really need the precipitation after several months of abnormally dry weather. All the precipitation will be to our northeast by Thanksgiving Day... clearing and very cold. The only warm spots will be around turkeys in deep fryers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 We have a high forecast of 43 Monday , and low of 33. I could easily see this event starting as sleet with those temps , if precip arrives early Tuesday ! Dewpoints probably in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 looks like the ensembles were run out of Roberts basement last night! cold and stormy for dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I think this was brought up a few pages back... But do we need a thread for next week? Or should we just ride the November main thread out until the end of the month? Some of the long range pattern disco is getting a little lost. Just a thought.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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