famartin Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I believe March 15, 2004 had a high of 42°, while March 14 had a low of 44°. So this is probably a rare occurrence. Here, both values are marked Suspect. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USW00094728/detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Here, both values are marked Suspect. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USW00094728/detail Thanks Ray. I didn't have that info. It will be interesting to see what's done with today's data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Thanks Ray. I didn't have that info. It will be interesting to see what's done with today's data. They're a little more careful now than they were back then, so the values will get flagged during processing. One of those will change, not sure which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Per Facebook they are going with 30. All six reporting sites broke or tied records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 They're a little more careful now than they were back then, so the values will get flagged during processing. One of those will change, not sure which. That's a good thing that they're more careful. The better the quality of recordkeeping, the better the quality of the climate record can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Per Facebook they are going with 30. All six reporting sites broke or tied records I commented on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I commented on that. They are basically going to send it and let them deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've seen a one degree difference in temperatures around midnight when the temp is dropping or rising fast...I'm looking at an old almanac from 1963 and on Feb. 1st the max/min was 28/18...the 2nd was 40/29...They didn't have electronic temperatures back then...it could be a miss print or typo...midnight was the max/min on six of the first eight days of February 1963...very up and down period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've seen a one degree difference in temperatures around midnight when the temp is dropping or rising fast...I'm looking at an old almanac from 1963 and on Feb. 1st the max/min was 28/18...the 2nd was 40/29...They didn't have electronic temperatures back then...it could be a miss print or typo...midnight was the max/min on six of the first eight days of February 1963...very up and down period... Its not something allowed anymore. If it doesn't overlap, its flagged. I suspect NCDC will either make their own determination, or contact OKX for their feelings (I suspect they'll lean towards changing the low on 11/23 to 30 in that case). It won't be allowed into the final dataset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 They are basically going to send it and let them deal with it Yes I saw. Most likely NCDC will ask OKX their feelings, which means the low on 11/23 will probably get changed to 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Coldest run of the season thus far. Not brutal but not super pleasant either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 If anyone is wondering all the Wunderground stations in Manhattan were reading between 30.7 and 31.4 when I check them at midnight...but I'm sure they will go with 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 temp is 26 at Central Park for the last three hours...It needs to start dropping a lot faster to reach the record 19 set in 1938 with 9" of snow on the ground... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 temp is 26 at Central Park for the last three hours...It needs to start dropping a lot faster to reach the record 19 set in 1938 with 9" of snow on the ground... Everyone's been stuck at about the same place for a while. Was this expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Everyone's been stuck at about the same place for a while. Was this expected? winds are mostly westerly and if the core of the cold is past temps will not fall much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can anyone confirm the 12 degree reading in Toms River? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can anyone confirm the 12 degree reading in Toms River? Here's the only station nearby which is close... and it is close... so I guess its not impossible... but wow, what a pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Although the Facebook account refers to the 30° reading as having been the first 30° high in November since 1949, it should be noted that November 30, 1976 had a high temperature of 27°. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Although the Facebook account refers to the 30° reading as having been the first 30° high in November since 1949, it should be noted that November 30, 1976 had a high temperature of 27°. 1955 and 1958 had highs in the upper 20's also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 20.5 temps been creeping downward very slowly after the initial drop after sunset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The -18 departure yesterday at NYC was the lowest of 2013. It's one of the lowest departures since January 2009. 1-16-09 16 9 13 -19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 First week of December looking mild now with +AO/NAO and trough in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 11-15 day average of Euro Ensemble Mean shows a -EPO & -PNA and no high-latitude blocking in the Atlantic. At day 15 we have a flatter ridge axis over the Aleutians, big+AO and strong SE ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 11-15 day average of Euro Ensemble Mean shows a -EPO & -PNA and no high-latitude blocking. All the blocking is on the Pacific side like we have been seeing this year especially since 4-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 All the blocking is on the Pacific side like we have been seeing this year especially since 4-15. Without Atlantic blocking, it's going to be very difficult getting any snow threats. I don't see any snow or snow threats the first half of December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Without Atlantic blocking, it's going to be very difficult getting any snow threats. I don't see any snow or snow threats the first half of December. Yeah, this isn't a snowfall pattern going into December. The first week of December looks like we get our thaw from the colder weather here recently. By week two, some of that cold out west probably filters east to bring temps closer to normal or maybe below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 First week of December looking mild now with +AO/NAO and trough in the west. Long range progs change. In fact the month of November was forecasted to be above normal based on the long range progs from late October and even early November. It might wind up being mild in early December but I don't worry too much about anything beyond day 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Without Atlantic blocking, it's going to be very difficult getting any snow threats. I don't see any snow or snow threats the first half of December. doesn't mean we won't see a repeat of the last 2 days of frigid temps in early december - BUT with no blocking the storms cut to our west unless there is a clipper that is involved in the northwest flow when it occurs which is always a possibility - but Miller A's need that blocking to lock the cold in along the coast -most of the time - could be a great period for the ohio valley and midwest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 All the blocking is on the Pacific side like we have been seeing this year especially since 4-15. 10mb temps are way below average. Support the +AO/NAO: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 10mb temps are way below average. Support the +AO/NAO: It's all part of the pattern shift this year toward dominant Pacific blocking from the Atlantic in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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