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November 2013 Observations & Discussions


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But the models also overestimate the cold. I'd be surprised if NYC got below 23-24 and Sunday will most likely be in the mid 30s along the coast.

 

You mean mid 30s for Sunday afternoon I assume? Well I have NYC getting to around 20-21 as of right now and highs will likely be below freezing for the city. We'll just have to see I guess what the observed outcome is.

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The winds look to calm down to less than 10kts overnight. If the winds are only a few MPH, it is possible with 850 temps down to -17.

 

18z NAM Bukfit out LGA mixes down 15kt+ winds until 11z Monday. 850mb temps are rising overnight too. I find the NAM often a few degrees too high for NYC lows. I like lower 20s.

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It's hard to believe but NYC has not had a record low in the month of November since 1986 and none in the 2nd half of the month since 1938. Monday's record low is 19, which could be close but probably will miss by a couple degrees.

November is the longest.

 

No records in December since 1988...  February since 1990... September since 1993...  August since 1994...  June since 1995...  April since 1997...  October since 1999... July since 2001...  May since 2002...  March since 2003... January since 2004... 

 

This January it will be 10 years since the last record low.

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I'll take an early guess that JFK will get down to 24-25 Monday morning and finish in second

to third place for the date. The strongest CAA will be Sunday when the dews may

drop below 0 and afternoon temps struggle to get above 32.

 

11/25

 

22 in 2005

24 in 2000

26 in 1993

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I'm on my phone so I can't look myself, but what's the timing of the cold air? Are we expected to have a midnight high greater than say 32-34 degrees, or is the front modeled to be fast enough so that we have a legit chance at staying below freezing all day on Sunday for the city and the nearby burbs?? If it's gonna be bitterly cold anyway, I'm hoping we can at least set some record low maximums around the area on Sunday.

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The latest guidance continues to indicate the record low maximum temperatures for November 24 will be challenged and possibly exceeded in places.

 

Albany:

18z MOS: 26°F

Existing record: 24°, 1938

Years with highs below 30°: 5

Years with highs of 32° or below: 13 

Years with highs below 35°: 19

Length of record: 1874-2012 (threaded)

 

Islip:

18z MOS: 36°F

Existing record: 34°, 1989

Years with highs of 32° or below: 0 

Years with highs below 35°: 1

Length of record: 1984-2012

 

New York City:

18z MOS: 33°F

Existing record: 30°, 1880

Years with highs of 32° or below: 1 

Years with highs below 35°: 3

Length of record: 1871-2012 (threaded)

 

Poughkeepsie:

18z MOS: 31°F

Existing record: 32°, 1989

Years with highs of 32° or below: 1 

Years with highs below 35°: 5

Length of record: 1948-2012

 

White Plains:

18z MOS: 33°F

Existing record: 31°, 1972

Years with highs of 32° or below: 2 

Years with highs below 35°: 3

Length of record: 1946-2012

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I'm on my phone so I can't look myself, but what's the timing of the cold air? Are we expected to have a midnight high greater than say 32-34 degrees, or is the front modeled to be fast enough so that we have a legit chance at staying below freezing all day on Sunday for the city and the nearby burbs?? If it's gonna be bitterly cold anyway, I'm hoping we can at least set some record low maximums around the area on Sunday.

 

Its gonna be close.  MOS says it will still be above freezing at midnight at NYC, but raw model output 2 m temps say it will already be below freezing.

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We may see the driest conditions here in late November since 2005 if the dewpoints drop

below zero like the MOS is showing. I think that afternoon temperatures on Sunday

will struggle to get above 32 and winds will be gusting over 40 mph with a mixed layer

to around 700 mb. When we had such deep mixing a few weeks back, the gusts at

the local airports exceeded guidance.

 

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJFK/2005/11/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

 

DPT 27 23 20 17 14 14 13 10 7 1 -2 -3 -1 4 6 7 7 7 7 11 19

 

 

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We may see the driest conditions here in late November since 2005 if the dewpoints drop

below zero like the MOS is showing. I think that afternoon temperatures on Sunday

will struggle to get above 32 and winds will be gusting over 40 mph with a mixed layer

to around 700 mb. When we had such deep mixing a few weeks back, the gusts at

the local airports exceeded guidance.

 

 

the Giants/Dallas game at the Meadowlands is going to be decided on the ground tomorrow with those winds and bitter wind chills also maybe a few frozen noses inthe stands

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the Giants/Dallas game at the Meadowlands is going to be decided on the ground tomorrow with those winds and bitter wind chills also maybe a few frozen noses inthe stands

where's Joe Namath when we need him...The winds at Shea never bother him...the kicking game will be effected...This cold wave will probably be the coldest November outbreak since 1987 or at least 2005 and 2008 levels...

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NYC recent largest rainfalls - not many over 1 inch

 

 

11/18: 0.22

11/7: 0.13

11/1: 0.13

10/7: 0.25

9/22: 0.45

9/21: 0.73

9/12: 1.76

8/28: 0.43

8/22: 0.25

8/13: 0.85

8/1: 0.65

7/28: 0.24

7/23: 0.21

7/5: 0.53

7/1:  0.84

6/13:  1.26

6/10:  1.38

6/7:  4.16

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NYC recent largest rainfalls - not many over 1 inch

 

 

11/18: 0.22

11/7: 0.13

11/1: 0.13

10/7: 0.25

9/22: 0.45

9/21: 0.73

9/12: 1.76

8/28: 0.43

8/22: 0.25

8/13: 0.85

8/1: 0.65

7/28: 0.24

7/23: 0.21

7/5: 0.53

7/1:  0.84

6/13:  1.26

6/10:  1.38

6/7:  4.16

The last real rain we had here locally was the remnants of Andrea on 6/7.

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NYC recent largest rainfalls - not many over 1 inch

 

 

11/18: 0.22

11/7: 0.13

11/1: 0.13

10/7: 0.25

9/22: 0.45

9/21: 0.73

9/12: 1.76

8/28: 0.43

8/22: 0.25

8/13: 0.85

8/1: 0.65

7/28: 0.24

7/23: 0.21

7/5: 0.53

7/1:  0.84

6/13:  1.26

6/10:  1.38

6/7:  4.16

 

16 out of the last 22 months at NYC since 1-12 have had below normal precipitation.

 

1-12....Below

2-12....Below

3-12....Below

4-12....Below

5-12....Above

6-12....Below

7-12....Below

8-12....Below

9-12....Above

10-12..Below

11-12..Below

12-12..Above

1-13....Below

2-13....Above

3-13....Below

4-13....Below

5-13....Above

6-13....Above

7-13....Below

8-13....Below

9-13....Below

10-13..Below

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Select Record Low Maximum Temperatures for 11/24:

 

Albany: 24°, 1938

Bridgeport: 35°, 2000

Danbury: 32°, 1970

Islip: 34°, 1989

New York City:

...Central Park: 30°, 1880

...JFK: 35°, 1970

...LGA: 34°, 1956

Newark: 34°, 1938

Poughkeepsie: 32°, 1989

Trenton: 37°, 2000

White Plains: 31°, 1972

 

Trenton dataset is mixed so you have to manually thread...  its at least 33 in 1956.  (I didn't check all years, just the ones you listed)

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